On October 19 2009 09:11 cwjalex wrote:
wow, must be nice to have some fan-boy finish your arguments. Way to be real mature and start name calling. Grow up. I'm sorry that you're toss isn't good enough to beat zerg. All I was calling for was for some moderation and that ZvP wasn't AS IMBALANCED as people thought. I didn't say it was even or that P has an advantage. Don't be so disgruntled because you suck PvZ.

Even though I haven't played competitively in years. I have still played games against B+ iccup players and held my own. I am not completely clueless to the metagame shift. That "probe" fellow managed to insult me without putting a single argument of his own in. Good job for another ignorant poster. You say it's obvious I haven't watched any pro games when I cite a few in my arguments. Way to not read what I posted.

Fanatacist or probe, 1v1 me if you feel I am so bad and without knowledge. I'll play you any match up.

Ok lets go iccup. I'll be protoss you be whatever race you want. My nick is Zork. Find me and let's play. Or PM me when you want to play.

Also what name calling? I didn't call you any names.

jello_biafra

United Kingdom6642 Posts

October 19 2009 01:05 GMT

#22

On October 18 2009 23:23 cwjalex wrote:
Pro statistics show that zerg has a slightly better win rate in this match up. Although maybe Z > P in the pro world, I don't think this reflects the balance of the match up anywhere else.

In my opinion zerg has the most potential out of any race because they require the most actions and is harder to play a "pefect" game. Consider a "Normal" zvp requires you have to drone up through at least 3 hatches with inconsistent larvae timing as opposed to the standard 2 nex or 2 cc scv/probe production. It is less likely for a zerg to macro perfectly than a Terran or Protoss that is attentive to worker production.

The rest of the world can't even come close to playing a perfect zerg game which is why I believe that the match up isn't as imbalanced as some people think. I'm not positive but it seems like most of the top foreigners play Terran and Protoss and not Zerg. I haven't been following starcraft forever but this is my take. Perhaps someone has any information on non-korean starcraft to shed some light on this?

EDIT: evidently there are a lot of top foreign zerg players. This doesn't at all change my opinion that ZvP isn't as imbalanced as others think.

You didn't take the multiple facts/rax/gates of T's and P's into account at all, or the fact that there's always been a consensus on ZvP being imbalanced, mainly because of the difficulty of scouting the zerg with toss and the sudden tech changes that can be made by them due to all their units coming from the same building.

There's also the fact that Zerg simply doesn't need to make as many peons as Terran or Protoss does too.

cwjalex

United States49 Posts

October 19 2009 10:45 GMT

#23

Even though T and P needs to make more peons I find it easier to macro perfectly with T and P even though I play mostly Z these days. With T or P you don't have to think about macro. Just always have 1 worker making. You have to choose between worker and unit with zerg as well as larvae doesn't appear at the same time at all your hatches. Even if you are switching from your hatches at 300+ apm there is still gonna be seconds here and there that could have been saved from making the drone faster. With T and P if you always have a worker making there is no way to have macroed faster.

Edit: nobody please respond to this anymore...I'm new here and didn't realize how many of these threads existed.

fanatacist

10319 Posts

October 19 2009 19:52 GMT

#24

Yea since clearly everything I said was from my personal perspective and not from an objective one. You are one of the most persistent idiots I have seen that hasn't been banned yet. Keep it up, maybe after 2-3 more threads about this same topic that you are consistently wrong about people will finally get the message that you're useless.

evanthebouncy!

United States12816 Posts

October 19 2009 21:05 GMT

#25

lol fana is a douche hahahahaahahahah

cwjalex

United States49 Posts

October 19 2009 21:37 GMT

#26

you are right evan. it's just childish how he resorts to personal attacks when he has run out of ideas. This kid is probably like 17 and takes this game way too seriously

BanZu

United States3329 Posts

October 19 2009 21:52 GMT

#27

It's not hard to resort to personal attacks when you don't even bother to listen to his points and address them.

It's fucking frustrating when you have the perfect points lined up that effectively knock over the other person's arguments AND YET, they STILL find a way to get around it with some stupid retort.

Btw, what if your idea about there being a lot of great Zerg players rising up isn't true?.What if it's the, OH I DON'T KNOW, the IMBALANCE?

cwjalex

United States49 Posts

October 19 2009 22:03 GMT

#28

go away whiny emo. you guys are like 5 year olds that stamp their feet because they don't get their way. Why not try being big boys and have a calm discussion with actual arguments.

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