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Penn and Teller: The Vatican

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-06 03:53:50
October 06 2009 03:49 GMT
#1
I posted these three videos on the YouTube thread last night. I don't really know how to make sense of all this. I wonder if actions by the Church have driven some to renounce their religion, or into a type of Deism of sorts. But one thing for sure the Church does seem to sway power in which to defend it's best interests.







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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
October 06 2009 03:57 GMT
#2
I havn't seen this one, but I love P&T. Watching now.
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Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6228 Posts
October 06 2009 04:00 GMT
#3
I saw this on the day it was aired. One of my favorite P&T's yet. I can only hope they extrapolate to all organized religion on their series finale someday
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
October 06 2009 05:09 GMT
#4
yeah this show is great. That was a pretty good episode. It was less funny and more serious than they usually are though. I had just finished watching a marathon of season 7 on showtime on demand, and was sad that the Vatican episode wasn't there yet. So this was good :D
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13375poolR
Profile Joined October 2009
United States6 Posts
October 06 2009 05:20 GMT
#5
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 06 2009 05:37 GMT
#6
Born and raised catholic here, and I have to agree with everything in this episode. While I still believe in many teachings of the church, on most current issues I'm at odds with the Vatican's teachings. It's part of the reason I don't feel compelled to regularly attend mass or participate actively in any congregation.

It's impossible for me to feel connected to/feel any obligation to an organization that is such a tightly regulated oligarchy, and seems to hell bent to adhere to archaic beliefs that have no place in modern society especially given the church's rapid expansion in 3rd world countries where some of these of these stances mean life or death for thousands of impoverished people.

Until I see any significant moves forward I'll just remain an Easter/Christmas Catholic as we call ourselves. And I think if any person realistically believes in papal infallibility they need to get themselves checked. Thousands of years have proven that those holding the title of Pontiff were and still are capable of some of the most heinous deeds known to mankind.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
October 06 2009 09:11 GMT
#7
I pretty much agree with them.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-06 09:55:26
October 06 2009 09:53 GMT
#8
This is the same kinda shit with Mother Theresa. I remember some special or documentary from a nun that worked under mother Theresa saying that she was not really even helping people at all because of these ridiculous 'laws' that the church follows. She went on further about how Mother Theresa was a cruel shrew basically and was only trying to collect money for the church.

I remember something about Mother Theresa saying that suffering was good and other ridiculous stuff.

PS- people who liked this episode should watch Bill Maher's 'Religulous'.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-06 12:30:10
October 06 2009 12:25 GMT
#9
interesting ep, never explored how deeply the vatican is protected by the law and the rest of the legal side of things.

But how can all those people interviewed not see the glaring contradiction. If the Vatican is such a filthy pit of lies and abuse, and you believe that they have God's truth, then Christianity is corrupt and immoral. If you DONT believe they have God's truth, then you cant know what God's teachings are since it has always been funneled through the Vatican. And i'm sure any brief search of history on google will come up with a plethora of material on shitty church policies.

Yes I do realize that there are many Christians on the board, and no I don't mean to spark a flame war, but i do want to stir discussion =p. And all religion threads on TL seem to eventually travel the same path.

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BTW: bill maher's Religulous concludes in a odd note.
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He spends the whole mockumentary poking at the fanatics, but never really coming down on them hard and impaling them on their own contradictions. And then at the end he gives this giant lecture on how religion would end the world. While I agree with most of his concluding points, I don't think he did a good job getting people there. It made him look like a bit of a crackpot conspiracy theorist beacuse of that.
But watch his other stuff [Real Time or Politically Incorrect], hes really quite good at asking questions and setting up panel debates ect.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 06 2009 13:04 GMT
#10
I know plenty of people who consider themselves catholics, but noone who buys into the things the church says. They're very different teachings.
Danzepol
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States211 Posts
October 06 2009 15:02 GMT
#11
what the hell was going on in the darth vader scene
in a fox with a box
Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-06 16:23:43
October 06 2009 16:22 GMT
#12
Now that's a woman!

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...and this is a hat.
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...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 06 2009 16:35 GMT
#13
On October 06 2009 18:53 CharlieMurphy wrote:
This is the same kinda shit with Mother Theresa. I remember some special or documentary from a nun that worked under mother Theresa saying that she was not really even helping people at all because of these ridiculous 'laws' that the church follows. She went on further about how Mother Theresa was a cruel shrew basically and was only trying to collect money for the church.

I remember something about Mother Theresa saying that suffering was good and other ridiculous stuff.

PS- people who liked this episode should watch Bill Maher's 'Religulous'.

Do you remember what this documentary was called? I've seen one called "Hell's Angel," but it didn't have anything from a fellow nun.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
October 06 2009 21:05 GMT
#14
p4ndemik, i don't remember what it was called or even where I saw it, but it might have been a post from TL a few years ago?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
October 06 2009 21:21 GMT
#15
O god, peta is at my school, and this thread reminded me that they did one on peta, better go watch it.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-01 07:09:04
March 01 2010 07:08 GMT
#16
Shameless bump due to the fact that I found Christopher Hitchen's 1994 documentary:





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Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-01 08:41:38
March 01 2010 08:39 GMT
#17
I generally take Thomas Jeffersons view on Christianity. There can be great things learned from studying the life of Jesus Christ and the morals he embodied, but he was no divine being. The Church is a laughingstock, and organized Christianity holds humans as inherently evil, corrupt, and sinners, thus we must repent constantly. It is like they are deliberately making Christians feel they are unworthy and inherently scum, or some bullshit. It is quite sickening to behold from a distance. Moreover, the Church is the wealthiest entity on the Earth on par with the International Banking Cartel, and yet what do they do with that? They send Missionaries across the Globe not to inherently help people, but to convert them...I'm sure Christ isn't too fond about that.

That being said, there have been great Theologians to come out of Christianity. St. Thomas Aquinas, Francisco De Vitoria & The School of Salamanca, etc., but in general Christianity and all organized religion is a pox on humanity. Always has been, always will be.

As for myself, I'm a Deist.

Bullshit by the way is a great show.
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