All ins - Page 3

Rice

United States1332 Posts

September 22 2009 18:15 GMT

#41

why do people act like allins arent "real" games, last i checked starcraft doesnt differentiate between a 30 minute macro win and a 5 minute 4 pool, a win is a win.

Chill

Calgary25991 Posts

September 22 2009 18:15 GMT

#42

On September 23 2009 02:33 Auhsoj wrote:

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I should be on at 8pm (my class is 3:30-6:30pm est)

I'll be in op irc on iccup using the accouns SmellsLikeFire around 8 then.

ketomai

United States2789 Posts

September 22 2009 18:18 GMT

#43

Defending all ins becomes easier and easier as you keep getting smashed by them. My first days on iccup I got all inned quite a few times, however, this in itself forced me to scout like a madman and think about any and all clues that could let me surmise what the opponent is doing. After awhile, it became pretty normal, and I did that in any random iccup ladder game and it made me a better player. If you can't get decent information because he opened 9 pool speed or something, always be safe rather than sorry (add cannon if needed). Send 3 zeals out as well and you can use those to score some drone kills and/or scout ling numbers/any hydras. There's a reason why going in all the time doesn't make you a better player, because they can only work so many times before better players that have learned to defend them start appearing.

Gyabo

United States329 Posts

September 22 2009 18:43 GMT

#44

Wow all you have to do is claim to be B level while being stuck at D+ to allins to get a streamed bo7 with Chill?? If only I had known...

Rayzorblade

United States1172 Posts

September 22 2009 18:48 GMT

#45

On September 23 2009 03:03 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Yes.BM.html

59-98 D+

..................and you think you could get B?

wow, epic rape.

Auhsoj

United States109 Posts

September 22 2009 18:52 GMT

#46

On September 23 2009 03:48 Rayzorblade wrote:

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wow, epic rape.

of course u leave out the 31-13 C at the end of last season....

Chill I will be there as Yes.BM.

sixghost

United States2096 Posts

September 22 2009 18:53 GMT

#47

On September 23 2009 03:52 Auhsoj wrote:

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of course u leave out the 31-13 C at the end of last season....

Chill I will be there as Yes.BM.

Have you lost a hand since last season?

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22258 Posts

September 22 2009 18:55 GMT

#48

On September 23 2009 03:48 Rayzorblade wrote:

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wow, epic rape.

Yeah, not to add onto it, but it doesn't look like you really even belong at the C- level... of all the C- players you faced (20), you only won 2 matches.

You seem pretty manner so far so not trying to discourage you and venting is fine and dandy, but you could definitely be more humble about it and not overestimate yourself so much.

Auhsoj

United States109 Posts

September 22 2009 19:06 GMT

#49

I can post a rep pack of all my matches at C- im sure 70-90% are all ins xD.

Actually I slightly fractured my wrist but it doesnt effect my game ( so I think ). I just enjoy playing games that arent all in oriented. Hopefully this bo7 can redeem myself or show me that i shouldnt be saying shit like im that high of a level. This will prove to me what I am as to iCCup ranks non-all in vrs all in. Either shuts me up or gives me something to brag about. Lookin forward to it.

gumbum8

United States721 Posts

September 22 2009 19:16 GMT

#50

On September 23 2009 03:15 Chill wrote:

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I'll be in op irc on iccup using the accouns SmellsLikeFire around 8 then.

I'm bored and I'm on from 8-10 EST
if he skimps I WANNA BE B 2
but damn zvz

sYz-Adrenaline

United States1850 Posts

September 22 2009 19:17 GMT

#51

Of course he's not BM, hes from the NE side :D

Yaqoob

Canada3348 Posts

September 22 2009 20:15 GMT

#52

I am glad that I will now have some entertainment in a couple of hours. Thanks Chill

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

September 22 2009 20:27 GMT

#53

On September 23 2009 03:10 Nick_54 wrote:

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On September 23 2009 02:49 FyRe_DragOn wrote:

On September 23 2009 02:08 redtooth wrote:

On September 23 2009 01:56 StarN wrote:
Yeah, I never get all-ined anymore (mostly in PvZ) because I keep my scouting probe alive long enough. No zerg in their right mind All-Ins against a protoss who knows how to scout well.

wait... what? please explain how you continue to scout when the zerg goes 9pool speed (fairly common opening, personal favorite as well). also share how you figure out which of the following all-ins the Z is using after you've lost your probe.

- 3 hatch speedlings
- 2 hatch muta
- 2 hatch hydra bust
- 2 hatch lurker drop

your probe is guaranteed to die before you can see which of those the Z is going. you could also cannon up like a madman and prepare for all of them (4 at front, 2 at natural, 2 at main) but then you're behind when the zerg doesn't go all-in. i'm not saying its impossible to counter the all-in but your statement about no zerg going all-in against a "protoss who scouts well" is ludacris.

you send out a second probe while your 1st probe is busy running around in the zergs base to a hidden location, then sneak it into his base again after his lings are away at a good time to see what hes up to. Also

-3hatch speedlings you did see a 3rd hatch going down and when your 2nd probe goes in you see alot of lings..:p I hardly ever see this anymore though, i guess because wallins are better now
-2hatch muta u notice his gas timing and if he makes a 3rd hatchery or not..if he starts mining gas again right away and does not make a third hatch...hm..
-2 hatch hydra bust same thing xcept that he will have a hydralisk den + a few hydras when your 2nd probe runs into his base
-2hatch lurker drop pretty much the same thing as 2hatch muta, you counter it in almost the same way as well

Basically if you see a 3rd hatch going down you will not have to worry about anything threatening your main base until after you have scouted with your 1st corsair or zlot rush. Your wallin may need a few additional cannons though if he does 3hatch ling or hydra break, which you find out with your 2nd probe. If he did 2hatch, your 2nd probe will see the difference so if its lair tech u need 2 cannons in your main + corsairs building and 3cannons at your nat. add another in your main and another in your nat after your corsair finishes as money permits. This will prevent any kind of mutalisk attack killing your main, or allin muta/ling attack killing your nat. (assuming you have zlots at your nat to help out as well) A 2hatch lurker build is defended pretty much the same way, with slightly different cannon placement, and a followup of robotics instead of citadel. Sair/reaver is the most effective build against zerg cheesey play because it gives u corsairs w/ 1+(rapes mutalisks, good scouting, can intercept drops) reavers (good at defence sitting behind cannons) and obs (nullifies lurker drops w/ the reavers.) 2hatch hydralisk is defended by making 1000 cannons at your nat and teching to templars.

A good player isn't going to let a second scouting probe in, thanks for the advice though.

then send a zlot to harass one way and your scouting probe another. I have managed to scout plenty of B/B+ players this way although i dont know if you consider that good. I admit trying to scout vs an A rank zerg w/ speed would be extremely hard, but not impossible, but the main idea is to keep sending probes/zlots to keep him running around his base(s) as long as possible and prevent yourself from getting ling contained.

Etherone

United States1898 Posts

September 22 2009 20:28 GMT

#54

On September 23 2009 05:15 Yaqoob wrote:
I am glad that I will now have some entertainment in a couple of hours. Thanks Chill

this is going to be so great, chill should commentate while he plays.

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22258 Posts

September 22 2009 20:29 GMT

#55

On September 23 2009 04:06 Auhsoj wrote:
I can post a rep pack of all my matches at C- im sure 70-90% are all ins xD.

But that doesn't make my statement any less correct, you don't even belong at the C- level.

NrG.Bamboo

United States2756 Posts

September 22 2009 21:27 GMT

#56

The ability to fight well against all-ins is a skill that if needed to become a better player. No good players have gotten to where they are now by just saying "oh poop, there goes another game to a cheeser". They got better at scouting, reacting, and thus winning against all-in attempts. I usually use the mindset of while training on ladder, I'm "preparing" myself and my builds to be more fine tuned for clanwars and nationwars. This includes trying to make my games last as long as possible, getting better at all aspects of the game, and playing safely against suspicous things.

People will cheese you on ladder, clanwars, everything. I don't usually get upset when a fellow teammate will cheese me in a practice match, because that's just part of the game. If you don't constantly think about the factor of all-ins, you will fall behind when it comes time to actually use the skills you think you have. I hope that made sense, didn't really make that much sense coming out of my brain, just kind of free-balled it.

tl;dr stop crying faget