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What is the cost of good manner?

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ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-13 13:31:21
September 09 2009 22:57 GMT
#1
Ask yourself: "What do in this world I get for free?". Nowdays - very little. In real world that is. But in Starcraft, being good manner is one of most cheapest way to feel good in long run, get a lots of friends that will help you and also get your mind in better and harder shape to practice more. By "harder" I mean exactly that - better selfdiscipline. You know, you lose right... and you get so angry you would say many bad things to the other player, but by staying good manner you train yourself selfdiscipline and selfawareness and also that player (that is obviously better then you) can recognize your good manner as wish to befriend him, and he can then on other hand help you with your improvement. Get it? For free. You only need to be good manner, and you don't pay for that, right?

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Good manners can help us in many ways, but we are not talkin' about table manners here.






If you look at it better - problem is within ourselfs. We don't think in long run how can one smile make so many persons that are around you happier and it dosen't cost you nothing to do so. You see the line between Starcraft and real life? Your goal should always be to be in profit, and that means gain without loseing something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about business world or market shares, I'm talking about simple selfdiscipline that will give you only good and profit for almost nothing.


Everything in world and everything in grand game of Starcraft can be compared. You see, you tought I will only write about good manner and how it affects people... but well, here is another connection: How come good manner can be implemented in our game? We did tell that our goal is to profit and not to lose anything? Not enough hint? Well let's put it this way: our goal is to do a strategy that is most viable in exact moment to do most for us and that we lose minimal to it's execution.



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Behind the monitor or in real life, good manner pays well in most cases



Question that I always ask myself is: "Why people reject this great offer of gaining everything for almost nothing (except good mannerism and not swering and acting like angry kid)". It's more dissapointing when you get your anger down after 5-10 minutes and you see there is no point of getting bad manner towards other player and you could prevented it so easy.



But main problem is that it will happen again if you don't control it. And yes, yet again another connection with Starcraft. You see, in same fasion as you don't correct your mistake with bad manner thing - you will fail if you don't stop doing mistakes and same errors in Starcraft.


What urges us to be bad manner? Our constant belief that we should overcome everything or the fact we did less good then someone else? It's caveman effect and you should eliminate it if you don't want to stay at caveman level. It also fascinates me how many people are not bad manner in real life and what is worse - it just speaks about them more as persons who are in fact not quite honest to themself what are they exactly. They just sense that Internet is some sort of gateway where you are protected and noone can't do you any harm. People abov all, even above fact you will get yourself all benefits by being good manner understand that you are dealing with people of flesh and blood, even via chat screen and killing his Zerglingz.



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How come some people are only bad manner in "virtual world"?



Some say that without bad manner there would not be drama like Idra vs Incontrol in latest "Highlander" tournament, but that's in fact not true because you can have all drama that you want but in other ways. Of course, we need to make difference between "real" bad manner that is meant, and some trash talk that is in it's basic form just friendly "spicy" way to heat things up, no hard feelings. Problem with first that it's serious and it just stops our evolution as a gamer and as a person, and second... it's again benefit for both triple sides - two players are in good relationships (as it's "friendly bad manner for a moment") an will continue to improve and replenish their spiritual being and mental status and for audiance you get some trash talk.


Advice that I can give you from my experience is "Facta, facta, non verba" and by that I mean - try to make it worth it. Try to make it a fact and not talk, try to justify your means of playing this game on field of friendliness and by doing so provide yourself with true resources good for your game and being. Why to do yourself harm if you can do good? Why to be stubborn when key to the free item that serves us all is in your grasp? How to overcome caveman inside yourself? Questions that dosen't need answer, just "Facta" and not "Verba", especially not bad manner verba.


Even from those experineces like being bad manner we can learn to change and that means we can learn to adept to what our opponent does in Starcraft match better. As you can see, we can integrate everything from opposite sides into our Starcraft gameplay, but ask yourself - is it better to implement good manner or bad manner? To be honest, experiences from good manner as you can see are much beter generator of good results, so is there any questions and doubts what should be used?



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The "Dreamer" Nal_Ra presented himself many times in good manner and he did well. Don't you agree?




What if someone is bad manner toward you? Well, in that case you can't do much - he is the forgerer of his destiny, and in gaming sense he can forge only enemies and improvement that is equal speed of a snail. To do yourself a favor, try to clean your yard first and only by then you will become gamer that will be able to make good connections and be real toward his mistakes and by doing so making his evolution faster and more enjoyable with company of good friend.



So guys, next time when you try to be good manner, consider it a favor to yourself, your improvement and benefit to your spiritual and mental health. You get plenty and give only something - that dosen't cost you anything but can make another persons day nice and more enjoyable.



Win-win situation if you ask me.

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- ReiKo.cry


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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
September 09 2009 22:58 GMT
#2
I approve of this thread.

Good manner is something that everyone should learn.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 09 2009 23:00 GMT
#3
I approve as well.

Excellent write-up. [gm] forever! :D
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 23:04:20
September 09 2009 23:03 GMT
#4
Irl i'm gm.
On Bnet i'm a schizo. Bm in UMS and 3v3. In 1v1 2v2 i almost never bm. I just leave without saying gg if i'm pissed.
If i'm playing with friends or friendly people who chatted with me before the game i say gg even if i'm super pissed.

I think that i bm in UMS and 3v3 just because it makes those maps boring otherwise.
You CANT play a pub phantom without being bad mannered.


That was a really cool read btw
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 09 2009 23:11 GMT
#5
Most people on the internet are teenagers and 20somethings. People tend to do the stupidest things at those ages and don't really mellow out until later. Since the internet offers some anonymity, there aren't that many consequences for your actions (unless you piss off 4chan or something).
Sullifam
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
September 09 2009 23:20 GMT
#6
Frontpaged.
ModeratorGodfather
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
September 09 2009 23:44 GMT
#7
didn't you write on GG.net forums that you we're A- protoss and you plan on going to Korea for a courage tournament?

that's bm.

solid article.
I am not good with quotes
Meth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada396 Posts
September 09 2009 23:51 GMT
#8
good read. enjoyed it.

sexy ra pic woot!
Brood War for life
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
September 09 2009 23:52 GMT
#9
I rate this thread Olympic, good manner is really important in life and in game. Awesome thread.
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Elegance
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada917 Posts
September 09 2009 23:54 GMT
#10
Good manner goes a long way. Trust me.
Power of Ze
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 09 2009 23:56 GMT
#11
always ask yourself: "What would Nal-ra do?"
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 09 2009 23:57 GMT
#12
Great thread, great "ideology", great read. Thanks a lot for writing this!
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 09 2009 23:58 GMT
#13
I just played a 42 min game on hbr against some kid. the game was over at 15 min. he took a top left exp and sunk/spored it and refused to leave unless i busted it. fucking ridiculous.

Everyone needs good manner!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 10 2009 00:06 GMT
#14
Definitely front page material. 5/5

Good manners are a must in almost all situations. Even when against pure trolls and idiots, if one is able to keep his/her composure, then that's the true mark of a well behaved person.
God Bless
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
September 10 2009 00:13 GMT
#15
I am always good-mannered, whether in real life or on the internet. People sometimes say "LOL, it`s the internet" when I talk about good manners, but I personally fail to see that as a justification. I mean, there is still a person behind the opposite monitor screen. Does the einvironment in which you are cordial even matter?

Also, people sometimes praise bad-mannered people for their honesty, but I personally think that honesty and good manners are not mutually exclusive. You can express your true opinion without having to resort to insults and outright flaming.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7219 Posts
September 10 2009 00:29 GMT
#16
Some people take the internet too seriously.

A bunch of people ask for "bm" anyway. Im always amazed at the koreans who freak out when you leave and dont say gg and then wont re you. As if saying gg is some sort of law. I understand having gg for televised games because then its not like the person just randomly leaves. But online? Come on.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
September 10 2009 00:39 GMT
#17
I BM all the time, only time I'm not BM is if everybody else is incredibly GM
Hi.
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
September 10 2009 00:52 GMT
#18
On September 10 2009 08:58 DanceCommander wrote:
I just played a 42 min game on hbr against some kid. the game was over at 15 min. he took a top left exp and sunk/spored it and refused to leave unless i busted it. fucking ridiculous.

Everyone needs good manner!

Honestly, how hard is that though? That happened to me once though, except i dont' think he knew he lost. I forgot the fact reavers outranged sunkens =P maybe you too =P
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 10 2009 01:16 GMT
#19
Just gotta throw this out there lol,
"How come some people are only bad manner in "virtual world"?"

I wonder if idrA is like that in RL.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
XXehh
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada122 Posts
September 10 2009 01:24 GMT
#20
Thanks for this thread! Next time I'm tempted to say something (as incredibly rare as it is) I'll think of this thread. I really love the starcraft community, and wish even the few BMs didn't happen.
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