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Warcraft 3............Did you Get it ?!

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intruding
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 02:09:55
August 22 2009 02:06 GMT
#1
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LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1852 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 02:16:37
August 22 2009 02:13 GMT
#2
The Storyteller made a great article on this. He really should be an asset that blizzard uses he is eloquent and has great ideas.

Also, ORC IMBA!

Here's his post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87117
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 22 2009 02:18 GMT
#3
Orc is imbalanced, and I doubt you could understand the intricacies of Starcraft by watching a few games. WC3 is an OK game, but it just happens to be a bit unbalanced (IN FAVOR OF FUCKING ORC).

It's a bit more complex to understand, but once you do, it makes just as much sense as SC.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 02:24:38
August 22 2009 02:24 GMT
#4
<3 BladeMaster.
I think having an imba hero like that makes the game more exciting.
I love both games (sc and wc3 that is), and playing NE vs ORC is fun because its action packed and you KNOW the blademaster is coming you just don't know if you can stop him. I've never sworn more at any hero.
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
August 22 2009 02:24 GMT
#5
I honestly do not think Orc is imbalanced, esp. coming from someone who barely played any wc3 before.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 22 2009 02:26 GMT
#6
if you have barely played wc3 before you have no right to talk about the balance situation.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 22 2009 02:26 GMT
#7
On August 22 2009 11:18 FragKrag wrote:
Orc is imbalanced, and I doubt you could understand the intricacies of Starcraft by watching a few games. WC3 is an OK game, but it just happens to be a bit unbalanced (IN FAVOR OF FUCKING ORC).

It's a bit more complex to understand, but once you do, it makes just as much sense as SC.

I always heard it was imbalanced towards Night Elf or something.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 22 2009 02:27 GMT
#8
Night elf was the prepatch when dryads gave little/no exp. Demon Hunter is still a bit gay, but that is a point of contention.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
intruding
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
157 Posts
August 22 2009 02:29 GMT
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 02:31:58
August 22 2009 02:29 GMT
#10
im concerned sc2 is headed in the same direction with all these new macro additions. sc was simple and easy. the hard part came from decision making and execution not an endless list of special skills like buff nerfs etc. dunno maybe we are just biased because we already know sc.

also i think a majority of the problem comes from giving every unit a health bar hovering above them covering half the map in health bars not giving you the ability to see anything except crazy colors and parts of units at least from a spectating perspective i've never played wc3 aside from single palyer
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 22 2009 02:29 GMT
#11
On August 22 2009 11:13 LeperKahn wrote:
The Storyteller made a great article on this. He really should be an asset that blizzard uses he is eloquent and has great ideas.

Also, ORC IMBA!

Here's his post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87117


Orc isnt imba. The BM is.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 02:33:08
August 22 2009 02:31 GMT
#12
It's not just the BM. It's the insane power of the Raider's Ensnare which ties a unit down for like 10 seconds (and has a relatively low cooldown + no mana): IE a free kill, and it allows a free surround on a hero. Spirit Link has also proven to be a bit of a problem, but it's a minor one that is easier to overcome (though healing wave...)

Mahnini, once you take the small amount of time to learn what WC3 is like, it will become much, much clearer. I'm sure you weren't able to figure exactly what was happening in a SC game your first 2 or 3 games of watching it. I'm not saying WC3 is a great spectator sport (which it isn't, but it's ok), but SC players don't give it enough time.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 22 2009 03:01 GMT
#13
On August 22 2009 11:13 LeperKahn wrote:
The Storyteller made a great article on this. He really should be an asset that blizzard uses he is eloquent and has great ideas.

Also, ORC IMBA!

Here's his post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87117

I don't know that I agree with Storyteller about how tension is built. If the audience isn't given adequate information or reason to suspect something, suddenly introducing a brand new element is called a cop out and bad writing. Convenient ways to tie up plot holes. How many times did you watch kid's shows in your youth that would present an unwinnable situation right before commercial break, and then you're like "OOOH MAN, HOW THE HECK DOES HE GET OUT OF THIS??" and it turns out that something completely improbable and unpredictable happens like a brand new character is introduced, or the villain with a gun to the hero's head has a heart attack.

Maybe it's just the way he worded it that doesn't sound right to me. A good story leaves the audience wondering what is going to happen next, but gives them a chance to guess right too. Most sports are painfully dull if you don't know anything about the players or the team. If you DO understand the psychology of the players, then yeah, it's really exciting to see if you guessed right, and to see how it will pan out and what guesses you can make on new information. But StarCraft would basically suck if you had no insight into what the players were thinking at the time. That's why replays of strangers are painfully dull, but your own replays with your friends seem like works of art, even if you're observing your most nooby days of SC.

The reason it's hard to get into WarCraft III for a lot of people, is we aren't familiar with any of the players. The few of us who know who MooN and Grubby are find their games exciting, but feel bored by other's unless colourful commentary tells us who they are.

That said, on topic I don't think WarCraft III is that hard to understand, especially from a spectator's point of view. Just remember that every time a player loses a unit, and gives experience to their opponent, they get farther behind for when the big clash finally comes.
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intruding
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
157 Posts
August 22 2009 03:15 GMT
#14
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Neon_Monkey
Profile Joined February 2008
United States270 Posts
August 22 2009 03:20 GMT
#15
I had a similar problem getting in to WC3; I never could understand why I lost. It made it a lot harder to get really interested in the game. I never really got sick of the game, I just completely replaced it with SC because I found it better in pretty much every way.

And back when I played orc was actually thought of as the weakest race, next to undead. Back then people rarely used the blademaster except maybe vs NE, which was considered a really imba MU anyways so it was never really clear what was ideal. But now Orc seems to dominate and NE to a lesser extent. But before when I played there was still a pretty good distribution of races, but these days it just seems to be all Orc vs Orc and NE vs NE. At least that is what I see whenever I look at the pic for one of the vids on Gom or Jon747's account. Which not only makes it more boring just because of the lack of multiple MU, but double so because they are mirrors. I am kind of wondering why I haven't seen any orc vs NE, though I'm sure I just never looked hard enough.

What I mostly hated was the upkeep system. It punishes you for making a large army, and a very large punishment at that. And it makes expansions a lot less appealing and risky so people just tend to not do it...except the last time I watched human vs UD it just seemed like the HU would take 4+ bases with 10000 towers and then mass siege tanks or flying machines after he got 4k gold, which isn't a whole lot more exciting. But SC2 doesn't have such a system, so no matter what I still think it will be a great game...eventually.
maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
August 22 2009 03:29 GMT
#16
bm so imba started with wc3, moved to sc cus the map pool never changes.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 22 2009 04:45 GMT
#17
"Lurkers rape Zerglings" When the hell has anyone seen a ZVZ that made it to lurker tech?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
August 22 2009 04:48 GMT
#18
Yeah I know what you mean. For me the armor system in war3 is just completely unintuitive. Archers do extra damage to spell casters? Ummmmm ok I guess I can try to remember that, but it's just something I have to memorize, I can't intuit it at all.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 22 2009 06:20 GMT
#19
But normal, explosive, and concussive damage is intuitive? I mean, after years and years it seems second nature, but the first time you watched a ghost doing 2 damage a shot compared to a marine still doing exactly the amount of damage he's supposed to, you must have been confused. Who's gone mass ghosts and then realised they can't kill buildings worth a damn?
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uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
August 22 2009 06:21 GMT
#20
On August 22 2009 13:45 GreEny K wrote:
"Lurkers rape Zerglings" When the hell has anyone seen a ZVZ that made it to lurker tech?


This was awhile ago.
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