I love foreign bw. Looking forward to BSL nation wars(!?)

I also much prefer to see some new maps integrated into our community simply because I don’t think a few ASL mappers should control the overall maps for bw.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6820 Posts

January 18 2024 08:19 GMT

On January 18 2024 15:12 MineraIs wrote:
I love foreign bw. Looking forward to BSL nation wars(!?)

I also much prefer to see some new maps integrated into our community simply because I don’t think a few ASL mappers should control the overall maps for bw.

There are many great maps to pick . The ideal mappool wil be a mix of classics + few ladder maps and maybe 1 foreigner map if it is good. It is very rare that a foreigner map is good. I cant recall anything else apart from Overwatch. Your map champion for example didnt even have proper minerals lines. Workers all bugged . And the thing is when you report things to foreigner mapmakers they dont even care to fix or maybe they dont know how to. Historically is just a not try. But if the map is good and works good i dont see any reason to no try it.

The last ASL mappool was one of the best imo. Cant say the same about the new ASL.

Soulforged

Latvia936 Posts

January 18 2024 09:35 GMT

Am interested, but limited by having time to watch games...

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Belgium6820 Posts

January 18 2024 10:37 GMT

On January 18 2024 19:21 uzzukidfgfsd wrote:
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A new TSL could be dope not gonna lie. Imagine Tasteless Day9 covering it. Artosis proly putting the time in to play so mb he not casting.

Glioburd

France1911 Posts

January 18 2024 11:28 GMT

New TSL would be insane, but BSL is basically neo TSL so I'm fine with it :D
I'd be fine with a new TLS too, somebody grab a shovel and go dig up Sayle & Elegant!

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17393 Posts

January 18 2024 12:45 GMT

i am interested. Because TL has a brand to protect I'm confident if they make something it'll be solid at minimum.

any Nation Wars format would be super cool.

On January 18 2024 19:21 uzzukidfgfsd wrote:
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Someone spat on Newman during a TL Brood War live event on June 14th, 1987... Fortunately, a careful analysis exposed the evil conspiracy.

Peeano

Netherlands5294 Posts

January 18 2024 13:22 GMT

Interested as long as I have enough time to watch live and if ASL is not running. Latency, timezones (and skill) are a big deal in foreigner tournaments. Also if it's only Dewalt and Mihu that are playing 24/7/365 then the competition is a bit boring. Last few iterations we could basically only root for Bonyth to challenge either and then it's clearly obvious that Bonyth doesn't get to play 24/7.

Maps don't have to follow ASL/ladder, but if the better Korean players play those maps... and those Korean players give our foreigners the practice they need...

WGT-Baal

France3462 Posts

January 18 2024 13:39 GMT

#10

there is a wide range of non-korean competitions and they may be interesting in various ways,

for instance CPL is the most interesting to be in if you re not super high level, for learning and socialising reasons. NSL and CSL are also pretty chill.

BWCL is more for the honour of your clan and playing with clanmates, BSL (imo) is more about watching the absolute best foreigners duke it out, but playing in it by itself isnt as great if you re not S rank.

Nation Wars are always cool because it sorta mixes a bit of everything said above in one setting, also it s rare.

if you mean interested in watching then it d be ASL>Proleagues>>>>>>(distant) Nation Wars >>> (more distant) CPL/BSL/BWCL/NSL : relative order depending on whether i know the players being cast or not, watching Mihu vs dewalt 24/7 isnt the best but once in a while it s good, watching Bonyth is always great though (no offense to Dewalt, he is also great but it feels a bit like groundhog day sometimes)

EDIT: now a TSL would be high on the list to watch *wink wink*

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Italy1209 Posts

January 18 2024 14:44 GMT

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I think non korean BW can't sustain itself on donation ... it's not a problem of interest ... it's just a question of numbers. Not enough people on this old game (which i am playing daily btw). If they could manage until now (i.e. Bombastic?) its because the average BW gamer is among 30-50 so maybe they have some "more than the average gamer" availability to donate...aside from that look hard to me.

ThunderJunk

United States726 Posts

January 18 2024 16:40 GMT

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I've been sort of keeping up with it. I know Terror beat Artois in a close 2-1 series he arguably conceptually lost. That would have been really fun to watch live but I didn't see what time it would be. Bonyth, players like that - great to see em fight, but I know less about them because I mostly follow ASL and whoever is streaming, which foreign players do less as a cohort.

I really enjoy the BW scene. I am always happy to discover it's active, for foreigners and everyone.

I did tune into the foreigner allstar team versus midcard koreans series last year or the year before. And foreigners lost what, like 31 matches? None of them were truly close in my recollection, though a few victories did come swiftly as the result of mindgame and luck. The one match foreigners won was off a successful scout of a center-proxied double 8 rax in TvP iirc; Even that took 14-18 minutes for the protoss to close out successfully. It was really fun to be rooting for team Korea in that instance lol

Smorrie

Netherlands2927 Posts

January 18 2024 17:46 GMT

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In any case, more is better than less!

As a spectator I'm not too interested in watching any foreign tournaments outside of BSL (or TSL?!).
As a player I'd probably enjoy enrolling in anything available if I was playing regularly.

Kaolla

China2999 Posts

January 18 2024 18:23 GMT

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Another TSL would def be awesome, especially if some of the old school players that are still semi active (those must exist, right?) would participate... But yea, not too interested in smaller tournaments either... Unless there's some proper hype or production value or something that makes it worth watching...

Used to watch Artosis' stream quite a bit in the past. That was pretty enjoyable at times, esp when he had events and stuff (like the foreign pros vs Koreans mentioned above). It's a shame it has become what it has become. Anyway, let's not talk about that here.