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TLnet Poll - Who will win the 2019 Global Finals?

Who will win the 2019 Global Finals? :

Serral (1021)67%
Anyone else (497)33%

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net135 Posts
October 20 2019 02:04 GMT
#1
dswarm
Profile Joined October 2012
United States73 Posts
October 20 2019 06:24 GMT
#2
I think serral has the best chance but it would be cool if stats took it. Those two are developing a cool rivalry but if stats beats him it would take it to the next level. Oh, also maru could do a maru thing... who knows.
I bleed creep
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
October 20 2019 13:38 GMT
#3
I mean, I would put my money on 15/16.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-20 14:24:12
October 20 2019 14:23 GMT
#4
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
October 20 2019 17:19 GMT
#5
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


It's nowhere near as bad as late wings of liberty and GomEXPvP
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 20 2019 20:54 GMT
#6
On October 21 2019 02:19 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


It's nowhere near as bad as late wings of liberty and GomEXPvP


Or GomTvT, the most imbalanced era in the history of Starcraft. However, the ones winning played Terran and were widely loved and respected players so it's all fine I guess.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 20 2019 21:18 GMT
#7
Serral might be the favourite, but he's not even close to be favored against the field imo. Betting sites are offering something in the 2.2-2.9 range which sounds about right.

Incidentally the payout for a zerg winning is only 1.5.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
October 21 2019 06:56 GMT
#8
On October 21 2019 06:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Serral might be the favourite, but he's not even close to be favored against the field imo. Betting sites are offering something in the 2.2-2.9 range which sounds about right.

Incidentally the payout for a zerg winning is only 1.5.

That shouldn't be surprising between Serral, Dark and Rogue you have probably the three favourites in the competition. Add in some strong dark horses in soO and Reynor, I'd take that $1.50 bet any day.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
October 21 2019 08:23 GMT
#9
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.
You haven't been around for too long, have you?
Also, Dark would like to have a say in this
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7138 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-21 14:45:48
October 21 2019 14:45 GMT
#10
Would anyone care to post the odds of some betting sites?

I'm at the office :/ and rather not google this. Even if i'm not blocked out rightaway

My personal bets would be

1. Serral
2. Maru
3. Rogue
4. Dark
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
October 21 2019 15:22 GMT
#11
More like:
1. Serral
2. Any zerg else

Seriously I don't see any non-Zerg player taking it, not even Maru since this is a weekender.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
October 21 2019 19:20 GMT
#12
On October 20 2019 22:38 Mahanaim wrote:
I mean, I would put my money on 15/16.


i mean you kind of should. It seems very reasonable.

but to be honest, i just don't see him losing. Maybe in the groupstage, but not in the playoffs. It just won't happen man
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fgonzo
Profile Joined September 2019
108 Posts
October 22 2019 01:35 GMT
#13
Calling the top 4 now: Serral, Reynor, Dark, Rogue
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
October 22 2019 05:06 GMT
#14
I think he has the best individual chance, but I don't think his chances are above "anyone else"
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Muraddin
Profile Joined November 2011
Slovakia10 Posts
October 22 2019 08:03 GMT
#15
Probably one of the Zergs (Serral, Dark, Rogue) or Stats or Maru will take it. Just hope that Top 4 wont be all Zergs.
thimius
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden29 Posts
October 22 2019 08:37 GMT
#16
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


I mean that's not even remotely true, Starcraft2 has been more balanced than ever the last two years.

Just doing two minutes of research on for example Aligulac would show you that TvZ is at 49,09%, TvP at 49,95 and while PvZ isn't in an amazing spot at 45,47% it's far far from the worst we've had. Like 41% WR in PvT back in 2017, 41% in 2016 and 41% in 2013. And don't even get me started on the golden age of GomTvT where zergs had 32,86% WR in ZvT and 43,26% in ZvP.

I mean you don't even have to go that far back, in fact just last year Protoss had a larger win rate advantage in PvT (54,74%) Than zergs currently have in both ZvT and ZvP.
yipzman
Profile Joined July 2018
2 Posts
October 22 2019 14:18 GMT
#17
Zerg too strong and Serral's ZvZ is another level so Serral wins
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-22 15:58:18
October 22 2019 15:38 GMT
#18
On October 22 2019 17:37 thimius wrote:
Show nested quote +
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


I mean that's not even remotely true, Starcraft2 has been more balanced than ever the last two years.

Just doing two minutes of research on for example Aligulac would show you that TvZ is at 49,09%, TvP at 49,95 and while PvZ isn't in an amazing spot at 45,47% it's far far from the worst we've had. Like 41% WR in PvT back in 2017, 41% in 2016 and 41% in 2013. And don't even get me started on the golden age of GomTvT where zergs had 32,86% WR in ZvT and 43,26% in ZvP.

I mean you don't even have to go that far back, in fact just last year Protoss had a larger win rate advantage in PvT (54,74%) Than zergs currently have in both ZvT and ZvP.


It's a fallacious argument. Aligulac balance report includes tons of games from low level players (like low masters and even diamond and below) played in small weekly cups and thus it's almost meaningless, especially when we are talking about Blizzcon predictions. It doesn't reflect results from individual high level tournaments, like for example 2019 GSL Season 3 Code S. What you should have used, but for whatever reason you didn't, is aligulac's period list. It reflects balance at the absolute top level, and as you can see, there wasn't a single period in the whole history of the game where one race overperformed that much as zerg is right now. At the same time toss currently have one of its all time lowest performance.
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