• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:52
CEST 23:52
KST 06:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20251Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202575RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced14BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
What tournaments are world championships? Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 I offer completely free coaching services
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Dewalt's Show Matches in China
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food!
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 642 users

TLnet Poll - Who will win the 2019 Global Finals?

Who will win the 2019 Global Finals? :

Serral (1021)67%
Anyone else (497)33%

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net131 Posts
October 20 2019 02:04 GMT
#1
dswarm
Profile Joined October 2012
United States73 Posts
October 20 2019 06:24 GMT
#2
I think serral has the best chance but it would be cool if stats took it. Those two are developing a cool rivalry but if stats beats him it would take it to the next level. Oh, also maru could do a maru thing... who knows.
I bleed creep
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
October 20 2019 13:38 GMT
#3
I mean, I would put my money on 15/16.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-20 14:24:12
October 20 2019 14:23 GMT
#4
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.
oGsMC <3
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
October 20 2019 17:19 GMT
#5
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


It's nowhere near as bad as late wings of liberty and GomEXPvP
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 20 2019 20:54 GMT
#6
On October 21 2019 02:19 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


It's nowhere near as bad as late wings of liberty and GomEXPvP


Or GomTvT, the most imbalanced era in the history of Starcraft. However, the ones winning played Terran and were widely loved and respected players so it's all fine I guess.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 20 2019 21:18 GMT
#7
Serral might be the favourite, but he's not even close to be favored against the field imo. Betting sites are offering something in the 2.2-2.9 range which sounds about right.

Incidentally the payout for a zerg winning is only 1.5.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
October 21 2019 06:56 GMT
#8
On October 21 2019 06:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Serral might be the favourite, but he's not even close to be favored against the field imo. Betting sites are offering something in the 2.2-2.9 range which sounds about right.

Incidentally the payout for a zerg winning is only 1.5.

That shouldn't be surprising between Serral, Dark and Rogue you have probably the three favourites in the competition. Add in some strong dark horses in soO and Reynor, I'd take that $1.50 bet any day.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
October 21 2019 08:23 GMT
#9
On October 20 2019 23:23 TheWildShooter wrote:
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.
You haven't been around for too long, have you?
Also, Dark would like to have a say in this
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6924 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-21 14:45:48
October 21 2019 14:45 GMT
#10
Would anyone care to post the odds of some betting sites?

I'm at the office :/ and rather not google this. Even if i'm not blocked out rightaway

My personal bets would be

1. Serral
2. Maru
3. Rogue
4. Dark
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
October 21 2019 15:22 GMT
#11
More like:
1. Serral
2. Any zerg else

Seriously I don't see any non-Zerg player taking it, not even Maru since this is a weekender.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
October 21 2019 19:20 GMT
#12
On October 20 2019 22:38 Mahanaim wrote:
I mean, I would put my money on 15/16.


i mean you kind of should. It seems very reasonable.

but to be honest, i just don't see him losing. Maybe in the groupstage, but not in the playoffs. It just won't happen man
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
fgonzo
Profile Joined September 2019
108 Posts
October 22 2019 01:35 GMT
#13
Calling the top 4 now: Serral, Reynor, Dark, Rogue
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
October 22 2019 05:06 GMT
#14
I think he has the best individual chance, but I don't think his chances are above "anyone else"
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Muraddin
Profile Joined November 2011
Slovakia10 Posts
October 22 2019 08:03 GMT
#15
Probably one of the Zergs (Serral, Dark, Rogue) or Stats or Maru will take it. Just hope that Top 4 wont be all Zergs.
thimius
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden29 Posts
October 22 2019 08:37 GMT
#16
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


I mean that's not even remotely true, Starcraft2 has been more balanced than ever the last two years.

Just doing two minutes of research on for example Aligulac would show you that TvZ is at 49,09%, TvP at 49,95 and while PvZ isn't in an amazing spot at 45,47% it's far far from the worst we've had. Like 41% WR in PvT back in 2017, 41% in 2016 and 41% in 2013. And don't even get me started on the golden age of GomTvT where zergs had 32,86% WR in ZvT and 43,26% in ZvP.

I mean you don't even have to go that far back, in fact just last year Protoss had a larger win rate advantage in PvT (54,74%) Than zergs currently have in both ZvT and ZvP.
yipzman
Profile Joined July 2018
2 Posts
October 22 2019 14:18 GMT
#17
Zerg too strong and Serral's ZvZ is another level so Serral wins
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-22 15:58:18
October 22 2019 15:38 GMT
#18
On October 22 2019 17:37 thimius wrote:
Show nested quote +
Given that we are approaching Blizzcon with SC2 being in its worst state balance-wise in its entire history and ZvZ being Serral's best matchup, I don't see him losing until he really messes up.


I mean that's not even remotely true, Starcraft2 has been more balanced than ever the last two years.

Just doing two minutes of research on for example Aligulac would show you that TvZ is at 49,09%, TvP at 49,95 and while PvZ isn't in an amazing spot at 45,47% it's far far from the worst we've had. Like 41% WR in PvT back in 2017, 41% in 2016 and 41% in 2013. And don't even get me started on the golden age of GomTvT where zergs had 32,86% WR in ZvT and 43,26% in ZvP.

I mean you don't even have to go that far back, in fact just last year Protoss had a larger win rate advantage in PvT (54,74%) Than zergs currently have in both ZvT and ZvP.


It's a fallacious argument. Aligulac balance report includes tons of games from low level players (like low masters and even diamond and below) played in small weekly cups and thus it's almost meaningless, especially when we are talking about Blizzcon predictions. It doesn't reflect results from individual high level tournaments, like for example 2019 GSL Season 3 Code S. What you should have used, but for whatever reason you didn't, is aligulac's period list. It reflects balance at the absolute top level, and as you can see, there wasn't a single period in the whole history of the game where one race overperformed that much as zerg is right now. At the same time toss currently have one of its all time lowest performance.
oGsMC <3
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
18:00
RO8 Round Robin Group - Day 3
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
ZZZero.O301
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 423
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12691
ZZZero.O 301
Aegong 102
HiyA 45
MaD[AoV]18
JulyZerg 16
910 6
Dota 2
syndereN733
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby4835
JimRising 348
febbydoto5
Counter-Strike
fl0m4274
Stewie2K862
flusha651
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1200
Mew2King289
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu661
Khaldor325
Other Games
tarik_tv17766
gofns8924
FrodaN2780
shahzam416
Sick57
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2513
BasetradeTV32
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta146
• StrangeGG 87
• musti20045 54
• Adnapsc2 23
• Dystopia_ 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22621
League of Legends
• Doublelift5618
Other Games
• imaqtpie1507
Upcoming Events
FEL
11h 8m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
16h 8m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
20h 8m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL Team Wars
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.