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TLnet Poll - Who has had a greater impact on Terran?

Who has had a greater impact on Terran? :

Boxer (85)63%
Iloveoov (28)21%
Nada (15)11%
Flash (3)2%
Midas (2)1%
Fantasy (2)1%
TheMarine (1)1%

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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 11:22:51
May 09 2009 11:21 GMT
#1
Im gonna say oov. He started the modern macro terran play. You could have an argument with fantasy though, but as ive heard his mech builds were from oov.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 09 2009 11:22 GMT
#2
Difficult poll imo

Much deeper than boxer auto-vote

I think Nada deserves this the most, for his ability to stay relevant over a period of 7 years whereas none of the above have managed to do so. With that said, Boxer will win.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51571 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 11:23:33
May 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#3
I voted oov too. I believe he was the reason, not only Terran, but all races, in adapting to the modern day style of macro-orientated play we see today.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51571 Posts
May 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#4
and I don't know why TheMarine is there. He did nothing except execute the cookie cutter strategies all of those Terrans made with perfection (thus why he was called By The Book Terran).

Should have put in St.Eagle (revolutionized TvP with the use of Vultures/Spider Mines with siege tanks instead of MnM). People probably wouldn't have voted for him anyway ;p
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#5
How can this be anyone but boxer .
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#6
Boxer, not cuz of autovote, but cuz he is basically the father of Terran. iirc he created the Barracks/Depot/Depot wall-in on ramped maps and he basically "created" the dropship himself.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 09 2009 11:38 GMT
#7
I voted oov. He revolutionized macro play for all races and sent Terran down a whole new path.

It will be interesting to see if anyone actually acknowledges Midas.

TheMarine, Flash, and to a lesser extent Fantasy really don't belong here.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 11:50:38
May 09 2009 11:47 GMT
#8
1st instinct is to vote boxer just because most of the Terrans today wouldn't even be playing Terran if it weren't for him..
2nd is to vote oov for the reasons GTR gives, every Terran today has to master macro play if he wants to have any kind of success.
3rd is to vote boxer just because every strong Terran today except for Flash takes after Boxer more than oov in terms of outlook. Upmagic, Leta, Fantasy, and Mind are all more tactically oriented than strategically oriented.
4th is to vote oov just because he's in the middle of transforming terran back into his own image. Games like the recent shootout between Sea and Savior on Heartbreak Ridge may well become more common, where the Terran doesn't push except to secure even more resources or when he's absolutely sure he will win. Just sits back and abuses Terran defensive depth.

sadly, Nada shouldn't win here simply because he's inimitable. Many of his advantages, such as his hand speed and his experience are pretty much specific to him alone:and can't be taught. Though it would be interesting to see how huge a force Baby will become under Nada's tutelage.
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
May 09 2009 11:48 GMT
#9
On May 09 2009 20:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
I voted oov. He revolutionized macro play for all races and sent Terran down a whole new path..

Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
May 09 2009 11:51 GMT
#10
yeah more difficult than the toss poll, voted oov though cus I have a feeling many modern terrans rely on pure macro/mechanics and the creativity/inspiration from boxers playstyle is absent in most terrans of today (hi Idra).
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 09 2009 12:09 GMT
#11
Greater impact on what exactly?

The metagame? I guess oov and his macro revolution
Other Terran players? Boxer (Why do you play Terran? Boxer!)
Making Terran the most successful race? Nada
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
May 09 2009 12:10 GMT
#12
Tough choice between oov and Nada but I voted oov.
Also here's a noob question, how much Boxer has actually done for Terran specifically rather than e-sports as a whole?
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
May 09 2009 12:10 GMT
#13
oov or Nada 4sure, invented modern play
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3354 Posts
May 09 2009 12:13 GMT
#14
I voted oov because I think he changed the way Terran was played and made it a more macro focused race and just changed the meta-game in general.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 12:21:38
May 09 2009 12:20 GMT
#15
boxer for bringing people to play terran/switch to terran inspiring people

iloveoov for modern play
literally every single thing modern used relates back to oov
1 barrack, 1 factory double

nada for mechanics
i know a lot people just fell in love with nada's sk terran and vult harass style. Just seeing his clean mechanics.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
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Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
May 09 2009 12:22 GMT
#16
On May 09 2009 20:30 Twisted wrote:
How can this be anyone but boxer .

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