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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 21:33:08
November 03 2011 10:11 GMT
#341
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
November 03 2011 10:14 GMT
#342
On November 03 2011 17:40 Emporio wrote:
Hmm, now that there is a favorite streamer list, it seems like the most important feature of being featured is publicity since all the fans have an easy way to see the active stream. Of course there's also the matter of pride on the line, but I think this system rewards streamers that out forth the effort to advertise themselves.


Well, the order of things matters. As the unfeaturing occurred before the favourite streams were introduced, there will still be a gap between those featured and others that are unfeatured. It is much more difficult to become a favourite from the position of being unfeatured. It would have been better to reverse the order of things.

It might help matters if the unfeaturing were to be redacted and done in one month's time. This would allow streamers that know that they will be unfeatured to shore up their fan base and have the fans favourite them before they disappear into the void.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
akaMadMike
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway93 Posts
November 03 2011 11:05 GMT
#343
On November 03 2011 10:37 Perseverance wrote:
You should really re-read what I wrote. I actually placed him filling a niche as a reason to keep him featured......I was looking at both sides of the coin...you know, being objective?


Sorry, seems like I missread that poit. I totally agree with you at that point. Some nieches (teamgamers, ladder tourneys etc) should be featured.
I know i was born and I know that I’ll die – the in between is mine!
Millenium
Profile Joined April 2011
France263 Posts
November 03 2011 13:43 GMT
#344
Hello TL,
We just got de-featured as a team ( Millenium )

But :
-We have a lot of viewers, from 1k to 5k in same time and we currently have a total of more than 900k this month.
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfnik7_millenium-tv_videogames?start=0#from=embediframe


-We are streaming from 4pm to 12pm every day and more the weekend with a strict schedulesome : Ladders ( Adel/Stephano/Kleenex/Aures/Tarson/YoGo), covering weekly cup ( Gigabyte/Zotac/4Pl and sometime more) and some SF4, LOL, and other games.
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
http://www.millenium.org/home/accueil/actualites/millenium-tv-le-programme-les-retransmissions-de-la-semaine-35332


-We are also create extra content with at least a showmatch by week and MSI Pro cup every month with top european players ( 2 weeks for French qualifier and 2 for the main tournament)

-And of course we are following International events when we are allowed to like Assembly Summer/Winter, Medion Trophy ...

So, we get the opposite reasons it was given to explain de-featured a Team stream. If we can discuss to get back the featured we we'll be pleased !
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 03 2011 15:05 GMT
#345
I know he hasn't streamed much at all recently but what the heck happened to NrG.GoD's stream? It was listed in the OP as still a featured stream, but on the stream page for all offline streams I can't find it anywhere at all.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
November 03 2011 15:57 GMT
#346
Attero's stream being de-featured seems wrong to me. He's such a good player, consistently winning against top players in GM and has a loyal fan-base. He has not been as well heard of, and now he has been de-featured he is retiring from SC2 after MLG providence. (De-featured being the sole cause Attero tweets his retirement). How does it feel to shatter his dreams TL? I feel this is such a loss to the community and Team Liquid makes it hard for up and coming streamers to be successful.
ObiWanPwnobi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States30 Posts
November 03 2011 19:09 GMT
#347
I feel like the purpose of the featured stream list should be to promote players that can bring the most to the starcraft community. This game is my first RTS and I have learned the most about protoss through Attero. He regularly plays and during his stream he explains his reasoning behind everything he does, and this was so valuable to me.

I think we're lucky to have Attero as a member of our community however I also think he's one of the most undervalued players. Please don't hide him away, and give others a chance to appreciate him.
ObiWanPwnobi.300
Lega-
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada141 Posts
November 03 2011 19:10 GMT
#348
Please re-feature Attero. Definitely deserves a spot up there.
NunedQ
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany235 Posts
November 03 2011 19:38 GMT
#349
Attero needs to be featured. Reasons were posted already by others.
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
November 03 2011 21:31 GMT
#350
I don't get why you would defeature based on number of views. If I want to go to the most popular stream I can just go to Twitch.tv's page, click the first links and here I go. For me TL's added value here is to feature good players/ especially entertaining streams /pro players. It's there to make their viewership increase through the feature function, because they deserve it (they are pros/ stream a lot/ are pretty unique,..). You're taking it the other way round and it's sad.

For these reasons, please refeature :
- Protech : i might not always watch him play, but I really like the uniqueness of his stream and 2v2s from time to time.
- All notable pros (Attero, Vibe, Ryanrushia, Optikzero and so on...) unless they have chosen to retire. It's their job, a good amount of their revenue, and the game quality is usually very good.
- Gisado... For obvious reasons.
- Most of the team/organisation streams. They might not always stream but it should be featured all the time, for the fans of said team/ organisation...

Please don't turn into the twitch.tv's home page!
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
November 03 2011 21:55 GMT
#351
If you're gonna defeature ProTech, I'd hope you'd feature an equally successful/knowledgeable/contributing 2v2 streamer.

(Hint: there are none)
mutalisks are awesome!
schI2ler
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:30:28
November 03 2011 22:28 GMT
#352
I would be happy if you feature protech again. He is atm (and has been for quite some time) if not the then at least one of the best 2v2 players. I think that he should have the spotlight of being featured.

How can 2v2 as a mode be established, when there is no room for it? If the featured issue is based on clicks and on views, one should give a little support to the less established but legit gamemodes like 2v2
"oh i'm so smatr"
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
November 03 2011 23:04 GMT
#353
I would like to discuss Snute's removal from the featured stream list.

He has a pretty low viewer count. I would guess that is the biggest reason why his stream is no longer featured. But, he is so underrated! His stream is the most helpful that I've ever watched (which should mean a bit coming from me, as I'm on CatZ's stream whenever he is streaming). He is one of the few streamers to take time after a game and answer questions from the chat (and answers practically all questions), as well as review his replays, demonstrate his builds, and is overall very friendly.

He doesn't really have tournament results, but being the #11 GM EU and having a pretty sick 2's team with GLRichy, as well as his contributions while streaming, please reconsider.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
SlayersGrackenPrime
Profile Joined May 2011
3 Posts
November 03 2011 23:07 GMT
#354
I think we can all agree on the fact that Protech is the most skilled/accomplished 2v2 person that currently streams on a consistent basis (speaking objectively, of course, and ignoring any personal opinions). I think he had 3 accounts in the top 10 last season, premade accounts with 90% win rate on 100+ games, PTSL winner... If you can name one other person that streams 2v2 with those stats, then please correct me, but I'm pretty sure that there is no competition as far as consistent 2v2 streamers go.

I think it is also a fact that 2v2 is simply not as popular as 1v1. By bringing up numbers such as "Protech averages X viewers which is 100-150 lower than what we're looking for", you're giving him the same requirements as someone who streams 1v1... why is this? Why do BW players not also have that same requirement? It is because BW players cater to a smaller audience, so a lower number is acceptable simply because there are less people looking for BW streams than SC2 streams... But this is the same case with 2v2 vs 1v1. There are less people looking for 2v2 streams than 1v1 streams, so why is the requirement still 300 or 400 average viewers (which I assume is the same requirement for 1v1 streams).

I feel that by unfeaturing the most accomplished/consistent 2v2 streamer, teamliquid is simply saying "we do not care about 2v2," since you do not currently have any 2v2 streamers featured anymore. I think that this is definitely the wrong approach to take to the 2v2 SC2 scene, because 2v2 has been expanding and appearing in more and more tournaments while gaining popularity. I do not understand why such a repressive approach is being taken by teamliquid's staff with regards to 2v2 SC2. If anything, more top 2v2ers should be featured, not less...

I really do not understand the benefits of squashing out a niche category just because it cant appeal to as many people as the mainstream. As far as I'm concerned, saying "we are no longer featuring any 2v2ers" is on the same level as if you said "we are no longer featuring any BW players". I feel that teamliquid should be working to help support the growing niche categories, not hinder them.

We will see 2v2 in every major tournament some day. With the extremely oppressive stance that teamliquid is taking towards 2v2ers, however, I fear that day may be later rather than sooner, which is very unfortunate for 2v2 fans.
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
November 04 2011 01:25 GMT
#355
Definitely +1 for re-feature Attero for same reasons everyone has said...has some good quality games, and good quality content.

Also upset you removed guys like Inka he always had plenty of viewers, can't see what the reason to de feature him was.

Other reasons must be responsible as well since a lot of the BW guys are still up there...I know it's not exactly prime time at the moment but these guys are pulling in 18 viewers and 50 viewers respectively, which is far below what a lot of the de-featured guys did...

On a more positive note I'm happy you finally featured Axslav! Always wondered why he wasn't featured, has plenty of good quality games and his commentary is definitely one of the most detailed and useful that I've heard.
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 02:08:34
November 04 2011 02:02 GMT
#356
+1 to re-feature

HasHe
Fuzer
ProTech
Edit: also Jimpo - eu high gm terran, unfortunately he's not well known but is a damn good player, always enjoy watching

I didn't see Startale_Rainbow in either list, he better not have been de-featured...?

Don't hate on merz either, he's definitely good enough just as far as pure skill in SC2 to remain featured.
jake1138
Profile Joined September 2011
United States82 Posts
November 04 2011 02:52 GMT
#357
Wow, so TL actually added my request to add your own featured players. I still think Attero should be featured by default but this is at least something. Now give us a way to vote up/down streamers! And give us a proper way to petition for featured streamers to be brought back. Or better yet, how about letting a streamer know they are on "probation" so they can do what they can to satisfy TL's criteria for staying featured. Attero was completely blind-sided by TL's decision to de-feature him.
Bleaurgh
Profile Joined February 2011
United States21 Posts
November 04 2011 03:26 GMT
#358
I am seriously disappointed in the decision to defeature Attero. Whenever i watched he always had between 300 and 600 viewers, more often nearing the 600 side. He also has had many decent tournament results, such as he just got 2nd in WCG canada qualifier finishing only behind kiwikakai. His stream was also always extremely enjoyable to watch due to not only the quality of games but also due to his commentary. I very much hope his stream will get looked at for refeaturing.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
November 04 2011 03:55 GMT
#359
lol@ all the sub 100 (and sub 10) post accounts begging for protech to be refeatured.

It's possible they are all different people, just not very likely.
<3 Moonbattles
Kanomi
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
November 04 2011 03:56 GMT
#360
+1 feature for Attero, and Inka. the reasons are all up above, just wanted to give my support.
lolwut
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