• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:46
CEST 20:46
KST 03:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 298Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!0Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back3BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Is the larve respawn broken? Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7485 users

[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 02 2009 21:28 GMT
#38
/confirm

As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.

Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.

As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).

And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.

I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits

Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 02 2009 22:23 GMT
#39
Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 03 2009 02:40 GMT
#68
On July 03 2009 11:30 Ace wrote:
I vote for Elemenope




WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 05 2009 16:07 GMT
#237
Ah, apparently this plan happened while I was sleeping -.-

I'm on lunch break right now so this post will be short, but although I agree with the general premise of the plan. I don't agree on who was lynched.

If we make the standard assumption that mafia is running for office, and we go further with that by saying a GF is running for office since rolechecks can happen now for the mayor candidate:

Why not lynch L instead of MBH?

Although, in my opinion, MBH would seem like a bigger threat if he were mafia, you said yourself;
So by day 2-3 town would easily have [MBH's] orientation pegged.


With this plan, although good in theory, it seems wasted on MBH as all we're getting is extra insurance of MBH's alignment, but now we're risking losing the priest's power completely.

We also lose MBH's ideas/analysis of people for the next 2 or 3 days or whatever, and we may lose them completely if the priest is found; and if angels can find the priest, then I'm sure mafia can figure it out, too; but then again,

Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option.


Aren't we kind of doing that now? And if our medics are as incompetent as TL history shows, then the priest might not even have protection at all. Although I realize the quote was trying to advise fog over rain, the thoughts and premise behind it also apply here since we're going to most likely have to use rain because of the suicide bomber. Yeah, mafia might lose a KP because of that, but does it really matter? It gets rid of a major power role of a network of confirmed innocents and the priest basically reduces mafia KP by .33 anyway as long as his ability is used every moment.

Now we have to wait til Day 4(?) for us to make use of MBH.

I just feel that if we lynched L, we would've gained a lot more information in comparison to MBH who we find out is innocent (which is a plus), but we would've found that out anyway tomorrow or the next day.
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 05 2009 16:10 GMT
#238
On July 05 2009 15:15 JeeJee wrote:
take lmnop off that list, waste of lynch



<3 also ;3
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 05 2009 16:11 GMT
#239
And just incase people are confused (for some reason) about where those quotes came from in my post at 1:07, both came from BC.
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 09 2009 05:37 GMT
#604
In my pants ;3
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 17 2009 14:47 GMT
#1257
On July 17 2009 21:18 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 20:31 Ace wrote:
its because the town has such great abilities the mafia have a hard time killing everyone v_v

Ace stop taking the piss


Agreed

+ Show Spoiler +
HE SHOULD BE WARDING THE FUCKING JUNGLE
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 21 2009 21:26 GMT
#1493
On July 22 2009 06:22 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 06:20 motbob wrote:
On July 22 2009 06:14 Shikyo wrote:
It'd be a nice thing to add to TL. a Mafia forum for all the mafia, giving access to only mafia... Or maybe that would be too complicated, I don't know.

Well, we did it ourselves pretty easily. I don't see a reason to have it tied to TL.

Well yeah, but then I guess the host should create a forum, I mean... it's not unreasonable to assume that none of the ~8 mafia knows how to make those forums. Or maybe it is but =P Can happen.



http://www.quicktopic.com/
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 21 2009 21:34 GMT
#1495
On July 22 2009 06:33 Shikyo wrote:
People keep talking about the "GOSU" but... what exactly spells gosu? Looks like SEFV to me.



Player numbers.
In DotA you could
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 471
UpATreeSC 412
IndyStarCraft 190
MindelVK 44
RushiSC 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3556
Soulkey 306
Mini 118
ggaemo 50
Free 37
NaDa 22
Rock 19
Bale 16
Dota 2
Gorgc8188
League of Legends
KnowMe76
Counter-Strike
FalleN 2549
fl0m1821
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu250
Other Games
Grubby2670
singsing1577
ceh9680
byalli269
C9.Mang0177
Livibee80
RotterdaM22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2485
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV593
Other Games
BasetradeTV273
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1306
Other Games
• imaqtpie1333
• Shiphtur436
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
15h 14m
Replay Cast
1d 14h
CrankTV Team League
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.