EPT[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season
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On July 03 2009 20:45 BWdero wrote: The hell am I doing on that list Pyrry? I suck at this game. Similarly, especially after last game's shenanigan's haha. Araav, small glitch in your scraper. It's showing 'no user profile' for me when I have one. Also fog is pretty much the only choice for day 1, glad we have that sorted. | ||
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On July 05 2009 03:57 L wrote: The office is going to come down to faith for all but 2 people. This is why I'm abstaining my vote, in case anyone is wondering. | ||
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And imagine how hilarious it would have been if MBH was the priest! | ||
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On July 07 2009 15:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Truthbringer after the day post: "Is it worth analyzing on priest so that an angel can protect him or should we just hope the mafia don't figure out who he is?" Such a fricking obvious tell. Much worse than ydg talking about how the priest should roleclaim after we can make him invulnerable. Why was this not in your post L? I showed it to BC and he said well YDG has a wider body of tells but honestly nothing he's done seems that suspicious to me and there hasn't been a single clue toward him. Truthbringer's clues we're good, I thought araav's were better but a vote for araav is useless at this point, and Truthbringer's behavior + clues easily outweighs araav's clue + behavior so I'm changing my vote. Sorry for weighing in so late. I think this is fairly sums up why I'm suspicious of truthbringer. I think also at this point we do get information from his death beyond his role. Info about bandwagons, distractions, anti-bandwagons etc. Oh and in case any player is legitimately wondering, it would be a Bad idea for us to publicly (or even privately in circles) identify the priest before MBH is revived. Also the thing about BC and G.O.S.U. is interesting, kind of reminds me of mafia 2, when we used the suicide bomber, we couldn't stop the bomber from gloating in the thread. That said, entirely possible that Plexa told him or that he just noticed it. I just spilt milk (hah!) onto my laptop today so I can increase my activity now that I kind of have an impromptu holiday while I sort that out. | ||
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Now time to take a look at those who tried to turn that 'bandwagon' aside (I hate to use that term because it is overused, but I'm pulling straws for a better word at this point). | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 12:23 TruthBringer wrote: Sunny will be handy later if both our assassins are alive and we have some good suspects. Rain could be decent if both our angels are still alive and mafia lose some of their men. Snow, we'll just decide how well we like Plexa's clues and that will influence whether or not we use snow. Fog is the safest way to start, reduce mafia KP at start, so fewer people die on the first turn. On July 04 2009 00:08 TruthBringer wrote: I vote for BloodyCobbler for Emperor. On July 06 2009 04:08 TruthBringer wrote: Is it worth analyzing on priest so that an angel can protect him or should we just hope the mafia don't figure out who he is? On July 06 2009 00:10 TruthBringer wrote: I am on board with future lynches going after inactives. I've seen games end because even though the town had enough people to win, nobody voted to lynch the mafia, they were just all inactive. Inactives only hurt the town, not the mafia. An inactive mafioso still gets his hits ordered by the godfather, but an inactive townie doesn't do any good. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote: The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating. There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. On July 06 2009 04:16 TruthBringer wrote: I understand your point. But if we leave it alone . . . the mafia are more likely to figure out who the priest is than the 2 angels. Anyways, other people can throw in their opinions on the subject. On July 08 2009 00:19 TruthBringer wrote: I vote for ydg. On July 08 2009 00:27 TruthBringer wrote: About the priest analysis debate . . . angels/medics have been notoriously bad at protecting the right targets. And people were talking about using rain to allow the angels to protect the priest and avoid him getting suicide bombed. I just figured that as it stands, it is much more likely the mafia would figure out who the priest is and kill him than the two angels. The plan to claim to MBH only works if the priest lives long enough to revive him. And FFS, I didn't start clue analyzing on the priest, I brought up for discussion whether or not we should clue analyze on the priest. Points of interest to me were mainly his voting patterns. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2009 01:09 Scamp wrote: I abstain from voting for now. On July 08 2009 01:12 Scamp wrote: Just letting everyone know that I am here now. I just got back from a long weekend and I'll catch up as soon as I can. On July 08 2009 09:15 Scamp wrote: Okay I'm finally caught up and it's nice to have my options reduced to two. Of the two I think lynching ydg gives us more information. Plus there's the information that will be gained in the next 9 hours. This will probably get interesting. On July 08 2009 09:16 Scamp wrote: I change my vote from Abstain to ydg. | ||
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Reasoning: 1) We all agreed at the beginning of the thread: one of the candidates is mafia. Out of the only 3 who really had a chance or got any discussion, we have Heavonearth, L and BC. L is dead, and Heavonearth got shit all votes and pulled out. That leaves BC. No proof on its own but it adds up. If we look at the votes of known mafia, we see Scamp didn't vote (He lay low the whole game, which makes sense because he was the bomber and couldn't risk attention) and Truthbringer was the first to vote for BC. 2) ydg anti-bandwagon bandwagon attempt. BC was the initiator of this, the first to try and make any kind of headway. His post was distracting, long, and full of formatting to try and make us see things his way. These are *known* mafia tactics from many previous games now. 3) L made it abundantly clear that he suspected BC and wanted to lynch him. And would you look at that? He's dead. Vote to lynch BC. | ||
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On July 10 2009 00:36 Foolishness wrote: Do you honestly think BC is dumb enough to kill L if we was mafia? I'm pretty sure he could anticipate people thinking this. If anything, L's death shows BC is NOT mafia, because the mafia are trying to get us to lynch the Emperor Yes, but he's not dumb. If he didn't kill L, who had his sights set on BC I'm glad you agree, L could have easily convinced the town to lynch BC today. L is the only guy the town has really been following and is a very persuasive person when he wants to be. So on the assumption BC is mafia, he could let L live, and risk a pretty likely lynch on himself, or, he could kill L, and hope the town a) is now directionless or b) falls into the 'do you think x is stupid enough to do y' trap. | ||
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What a shitstorm. Ok let's step back a second guys. What the fuck is going on? There have been about 9 accusations in the past 10 pages all based on some of the poorest clue analysis we've seen in a few games. "If you go to his profile, follow this link, watch this video of a sequel till x:xx and look at y. Why yes, I do believe you have a brilliant clue there, nice work!!! But I digress, back to the stepping back and being a little objective. Malongo just made a decent post, it'll be interesting to see if a whole bunch of mafia start posting again to drown it by the time I finish this, we'll just have to see. I'd like to add to his post though. Earlier on today I urged you all to vote for BC because of the "1 candidate is almost always mafia" rule, the "everyone who's called him out is dead" rule and the "ydg anti-truthbringer bandwagon". Adding to those points based on behaviour since my post: So BC called a double lynch today, which is usually a good thing for a town which has direction and a couple of sure candidates up for lynch. Except guess what, we don't. We didn't even have 1 strong candidate at the time let alone 2 (well I believe we did, but that was BC so I don't think that's what he was aiming for there). As a mafia emperor, this is the second most damaging thing he can do to the town with his emperor powers. The most damaging thing he can do is to then accuse a whole bunch of people so that the town doesn't know who to vote for and mafia can easily infiltrate the voting process and swing it any way they want. Oh wait, he's doing that too. Our leader is not leading us, at all. He's standing back, and letting us effectively kill ourselves, even helping the process along. At this point, I am convinced he is mafia, but let's just say for the sake of completeness, that he's not. If so, why do we want to keep him around? He's hurting us far more than not and so his alignment shouldn't be a concern anymore. He needs to die. For those that say, "BC is the emperor and the town needs leadership" WHAT LEADERSHIP? The man has just sat there, thrown a whole bunch of names into the thread and laughed. For those that say, "We shouldn't kill our emperor because the double lynches are too important" Take a look at the voting thread, and tell me that the double lynches are helping us out. Yeah that's right, they're not. They need direction to be effective and anyone that initiates a double lynch without the town having direction, or without the intent of giving that direction is either mafia or a townie that is as good as a mafia and should die. Lynch BloodyCobbler So we have to pick a second target for lynch because our friendly neighbourhood emperor decided to initiate a double lynch when we had no direction. At this stage for me, I don't know who to pick for a second vote, there are just way too many people acting up in the thread and I need to reread the past 10 pages. I'll be putting my second vote on BC though because he needs to die and I want to make sure this happens. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:42 Foolishness wrote: If you actually go back and read the thread and read the IMPORTANT posts, you will actually see there is a lot of direction to go by. People like you just refuse to read it and comprehend what is actually going on. Instead you focus all your attention on the emperor, and think he should be leading the town. HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MAFIA CANDIDATES! Read anything I've posted or that Pyrry has recently posted. If you want I can spell things out for you since I'm sure you didn't do anything more than skim. It's actually really good we have a double lynch today, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THROWING OFF THE VOTING. It is true that there were some very horrendous arguments among the town earlier. But all that is gone now. Since BC has hardly posted anything recently (although what he has posted has been nice contribution), it's very clear THAT YOU CAN JUST IGNORE HIM! JUST BECAUSE BC IS THE EMPEROR DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM! A few townspeople (most notably you and Malongo) think we need to kill BC since he has not done anything worthwhile recently. Well there are plenty of other people who have not done anything recently, and there's a much greater chance that they are mafia. I admit that BC pisses me off as well, but the truth is, is that he is not harming the town right now. We actually have good suspects to be lynching, but everybody is tossing around the votes so the good candidates actually get covered up. This includes you. Let me sum it up for you, because it's obvious that you don't actually read all the posts in the thread. BC IS EMPEROR AND SHOULD NOT BE KILLED BECAUSE HES USELESS AND THERE ARE MUCH BETTER CANDIDATES! LISTEN TO PYRRY AND ME I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're going to attack me with, "If he's useless we should just kill him!" because it seems to me you like to make illogical arguments. The point of this game is to kill mafia, not useless people. Firstly, I have read all the posts in the thread. Nice assumptions there. Secondly, way to miss my point. I believe BC is mafia and should be lynched because of it. The parts of my post you ignored (based on what you quoted) detailed why. Your entire response is pretty much a strawman, good work. | ||
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I found this part of your post quite amusing: HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MAFIA CANDIDATES! Read anything I've posted or that Pyrry has recently posted. If you want I can spell things out for you since I'm sure you didn't do anything more than skim. It's actually really good we have a double lynch today, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THROWING OFF THE VOTING. And a couple of pages ago, what did you say? On July 10 2009 08:20 Foolishness wrote: Just ignore Pyrry. He's an idiot townsperson who's going to help lose the game. Listen to reason not to Pyrry or BC. I have laid out good reasoning on who we should be focusing on. Just ignore Pyrry and BC and let them cry. You are oh so consistent good sir. EDIT: Tags. | ||
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This effectively gives the mafia 2 kp extra for the night and wastes our double lynch at the same time. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:56 Foolishness wrote: Bockit, You're reasoning against BC is more along the lines of "He hasn't helped the town as emperor (or he has not been a good leader), therefore he should be killed" My reasoning (as well as Pyrry's) for wanting to lynch people such as ecomania, kuja900, chaoser, is "These people have high possibility of being linked to clues and have strange behaviors as well as voting patterns, therefore they should be killed" You're logic is pretty much a "strawman", good work. And you did not give any good details about why BC should be killed except saying the "1 candidate must be mafia" (which I might add is a bad assumption when there were 3 candidates), and that "everybody who's called him out has been dead". If you were mafia (hypothetically speaking) you would lynch people calling out BC to get the town to turn against him. Outside of this and your 3rd reason of the ydg bandwagon, all you do is refer to Malongo's post instead of providing any of your own opinions on why you think he's mafia. As a side note, the reason I left out part of your post was so that it wouldn't make my post ridiculously long, although I was trying to focus on the one part, I was considering everything you said. You are amazing.. have you actually read my posts? And not just that, have you tried to comprehend what I'm saying? My reasoning is as I've said before: 1) One of the candidates is mafia. This was widely agreed upon at the beginning of the game. Who's left? BC. 2) L was killed before he could be used as a rallying figure to take BC down. He made his opinion on BC pretty clear in his posts and he is one of the players that has the ability to get people to follow him. 3) YDG anti-bandwagon, which you toss aside so lightly, is actually a huge thing, something which has been used in multiple games, many times. As mafia, when someone posts some ridiculously spot on analysis, the easiest way to discredit it is to bring up something else so that it can be drowned out in a sea of posts and ignored. 4) He initiated a double lynch without a solid target for lynch, let alone 2. I am not saying that this makes him useless and he should be lynched as such, stop misinterpreting it as such. I am saying this is mafia behaviour because it hurts the town in a huge way, for the reasons I explained a couple of posts ago in response to motbob. 5) He has since initiating the double lynch, accused a bunch of people, further adding to the misdirection. Again, I don't say this makes him useless and that he should be lynched, rather that this is mafia behaviour and thus he should be lynched. I hope this clears up (all) your misconceptions. | ||
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We now know that not only was Truthbringer mafia aligned, he was a mafia, not a pledge, which means mafia were pretty strongly wishing Truthbringer to be killed. BC's post was full of the usual shit involved in these kinds of distractions, heaps of bolding, hundreds of quotes and commentary on quotes, walls of text. It started a bandwagon on ydg, which was the anti-bandwagon to the bandwagon at the time, which was on truthbringer and something the mafia would have very strongly wanted to divert. | ||
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