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2 hourzzZ? 10:30 is in 10 minutes here  !11 oh well looks like its starting at 12:30 for me. Odd use of mountain time btw. | ||
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On May 16 2009 15:00 L wrote: Okay. So L is going to do some math because that's what L does. So we have 30 total people, 1 traitor, 6 mafia total, 23 town. Mafia essentially have 7 total voting power maximum, so town auto-loses when they're under 6 people. In the worst possible scenario, mafia kill 3 per day + 1 mislynch (lets ignore double lynches b/c i'm lazy). Essentially townie numbers go 23-Current 19-Tomorrow 15-Next day 11-Day 4 7-Day 5 Add in a missed vig hit or missed double lynches and we can be out of the game by day 5. We're essentially obligated to hit correctly on day 2 or 3 or we're in the shitter. We can't fuck around and pretend that day 2-3 are clue gathering days and that we can float until day 4 and suddenly start knocking people out. What does this mean? ACTIVITY. Don't have anything to say? Think of something. If 5 pages go by and you haven't said anything you are fucking the down in the butt. I have a feeling people have been a postin' so ima post this, read and then post s'more. L BRAH, YOU AINT COUNTING IN MEDIC PROTECTION AND VETS. | ||
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I agree with L, this gambit he is trying is too risky for mafia to try. I am pretty sure that nemy is not the traitor based on his behavior. The way he has been acting so far does not coincide with what I would deem "Vet game" mafia play. In such a small game risking one mafia that quick is never a smart decision. I think Nemy felt a legitimate threat and that is why he came out. Now if we elect Nemy and he is a DT the benefits are really good. He has 3 role checks which he can use to check active people in an attempt to form a town circle and narrow down suspects. Yes, I am aware there is a traitor and a Godfather, however the Godfather most likely will pose as a medic or a townie which are the easiest roles to fake. However 3 role checks are really valuable this game and could help us all out very much, especially if he pins a mafia. If he role checks and says someone is mafia and we lynch them and they aren't, well we just kill nemy. If he plays like a jackass mafia, well we kill nemy. Its not hard, but I think getting him in a protected role provides us with a decent start. By reading posts I am sure many of you see some of the things that I see. There are a few people posting odd and inconsistent. Nemy does not seem to be one of them yet. I won't pretend nemy is some godsend sent to lead the town, I have no idea on his leadership skills, I have never to my recollection played a mafia game with him, at least where he played a significant role. But his powers as a DT will prove invaluable in the future. He will gain consults or find out prominent mafia. I urge people to vote nemy into office. He seems like one of the only secure votes we will have. While his gambit could get him killed or into office, I can assure its a risk the mafia will NOT want to take by risking one of there own role claiming DT. If he is the Traitor the mafia will kill him anyway because they can't be sure if he is a DT or not. If he gets in and is the traitor we will most likely be able to figure it out pretty quick by lack of any progress. I suspect within 2 days we can kill him and be sure hes the traitor. Yeah it might but us back if he is, but its a worthwhile risk. I have more reasons which I don't want to list right now. So once again, Vote nemy | ||
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On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote: Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting. Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning. They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up: All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT. whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated. So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh? haha I couldn't agree more. but yeah with a little behavior analysis we could nail ourselves a couple of maifa in two days  But yeah, back to me never agreeing with you ever. We always have logic that differs and you said a DT role call has never worked before, the answer to that is a big NO I believe we ended one of callers game because I managed to convince most of the town to lynch your ass. But its okay, not bragging just pointing that out. Although I do believe your inactivity helped me with that (I was actually just the VI and Ace was the GF)I think NemYs move is more so the act of an over indulgence in self importance. When you are a DT in a game like this it increases paranoia levels and is what I think most likely caused nemy to RC because he felt like people were onto him, whether or not they actually were its the paranoia factor that did it. and Ace your so wrong, you are saying you KNOW hes mafia or traitor and presented situations of the IF nemy is a DT. First off, the chance of NemY being mafia is so incredibly low it is almost irrelevant at this point. Traitor? Well yeah, you have a valid point there. and if hes a DT you argue that you don't want a rash person/dumb person in that positions. Well I disagree. I don't think he is beyond control or without reason to role call. It seems perfectly reasonable given the situations. Not many DTs and mafia getting them on day one does not seem too good, hence RC and hope for either elected position or medic protection. Even if we could argue nemy is dumb as fuck, we can't negate the value of his role checks. Remember your above scenario? Yeah? How the hell are we supposed to do that if we lynch one of OUR OWN DTS? That's kind of amusing. but yeah, with nemy in office he can role check any of your suggested "preferred" office players of you, MTF, or Ver. ![[image loading]](http://www.zilefile.com/files/190_w9jsa/chances%20-%20dont%20be%20a%20pussy.%20this%20guy%20seems%20legit.jpg) Vote Nemy also as a sidenote: [quote=bockit said]But regardless, I think I see where you're going, and yes that does put suspicion on me, however I feel that in this game, a townie is more scared of having a mafia in pardoner position than mafia is scared of having a dt in power. Maybe people disagree with me on this, I'm open to discussion on the topic.[/quote] No way in hell is the town more scared of a mafia in office as a the mafia is a DT. If a mafia is in office in such an active game hes going to get tagged suspicious on clue and behavior pretty damn fast and we will lynch his ass. The DT in office provides 3 solid role checks and stability. Oh and another point at Ace. Yeah I am sure you Ver and MTF would be great in office, but keep in mind MANY people can't determine your alliance yet, so risking you guys in is not as smart, even if you are better players. Nemy is 90% blue. You guys are unknown. | ||
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Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace | ||
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Ace, I said not that I wouldn't want a good player in the position, its just I interpreted nemys behavior as that of innocent (most likely) and there is NOT as much behavior for any of the rest of you who are running. I also think the rest of the candidates are harder to read then nemy would be, which was part of my inclination. I also think the PM shit was a little weak, but was willing to overlook that shit. and I still disagree that nemy is high probability mafia. Hes either traitor or DT. Mafia would be dumb to risk themselves like this with such half assed shit, especially given the history in previous games of this happening. And when I said that it seemed perfectly reasonable given the situation I was referring to his paranoia of being found out, not any thng like "Town dying, all or nothng" bullshit. Just that to someone with an arguably very important role would be a little paranoid and jump the gun, | ||
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Well I pretty confused. On the bright side I get to figure out if I am an ass or a genius about NemY I wish I remembered him from other games. I just remember thinking he flipped red once. | ||
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On May 18 2009 13:07 Tricode wrote: Holy crap...Nemy is definitely to close for comfort with votes. not anymore. | ||
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I voted Caller. | ||
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I hope its me! | ||
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and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie. The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia. Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with. To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own. So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though. | ||
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Nemy you can use your Role Check tomorrow right? If so I think we should make another Medic protect list, and keep nemy among it. I would like Caller or Showtime! to make the list. I don't care which. But I don't want Ace or Ver doing it. | ||
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While the medic list helps medics know who to protect who aren't really paying as much attention as they should be, it also scares the mafia away from a larger group of people. | ||
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I gots distracted by seckz I am on page 55 now. | ||
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