• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:15
CET 03:15
KST 11:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book10Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info7herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win1Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker1PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)9Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) WardiTV Mondays $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1722 users

OnGameNet Leagues - Format

Forum Index > Articles
Post a Reply
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-03-14 09:53:33
November 19 2002 16:56 GMT
#1
I've been getting a lot of questions about how the OGN tournaments (i.e. the Challenge League, the Duel Tournament, and the Starleague) work, so I'll take a quick stab at giving folks a clearer picture of things.

The short explanation is that the Challenge Legaue is the qualifying tournament for the Duel Tournament, which itself is the qualifying tournament for the next Starleague. Everything culminates in the Starleague, where all the money is, but also where the players face the toughest competition on the planet.

But, that may be a bit too brief for some, so let me explain in more detail. Things start off with the Challenge League. There's a one-day qualifying tournament to get into the Challenge League itself involving 96 (or so) players. What's important is that only 24 players make it into the Challenge League. Those 24 are then divided into Groups of 4 (so, for the numerically CHALLENGED, that's 6 Groups, A - F, in total). Players within each Group do a double-elimination format mini-tournament. The top 2 players from each Group qualify for the Duel Tournament, so you have 11 Challenge Leaguers advancing into the Duel Tournament.

But, wait! If 2 players qualify from each Group and there are 6 Groups, isn't that 12 players who qualify for the Duel Tournament and not 11?! mensrea, are you D-U-M?! Well, I could be, but not in this case. You see (and this format began with the 2nd Challenge League in the middle months of 2002) the 6 qualifiers who make it out of their Challenge League Groups ranked #1 (i.e. the players who made it through the double-elim without a single loss) get to battle each other one final time to determine the "winner" of the Challenge League itself. The Challenge League winner gets an automatic seed in the next Starleague and does not need to play in the Duel Tournament. This guy is SET!

Ok, still with me? So what happens in the Duel Tournament? Well, basically, 13 players (i.e. all players who didn't make top 3) from the previous Starleague (which usually runs contemporaneously with the Challenge League and, after that's done, the Duel Tournament) get paired with the 11 Challenge Leaguers in another 24-person (13 + 11), 6-Group double-elim mini-tournament, only this time, there's no "winner:" the top 2 from each Group simply qualify for the next Starleague (which is what everyone's been playing their asses off for anyway). And that's it for the Duel Tournament!

But why 13 from the previous Starleague? Well, because OnGameNet, in a stroke of genius, decided that the top 3 finishers from the previous Starleague should get seeds in the next Starleague and not have to play in the Duel Tournament to qualify again. Remember: Starleague is a 16-person tournament divided into 4 deadly Groups A - D. So, the top 3 from the previous Starleague each get seeds at the top of different Groups in the next Starleague (so they don't have to play each other in the first round). The fourth and final Group seed in the Starleague, of course, goes to the winner of the Challenge League (remember?).

Overall, this current format is way cooler, especially because it means that the usually boring 3rd/4th place match in the Starleague now gets turned into a fiercely contested, no-holds-barred CATFIGHT, where the difference between 3rd (an automatic seed in the next Starleague) and 4th (down you go to do battle and face possible elimination in the Duel Tournament) is no longer just a matter of a few extra Korean Won and bragging rights.

Hope you got all that. 'Cause I ain't doing this again...



mensrea
2002. 11. 20

actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
November 19 2002 17:47 GMT
#2
very clear. thx
Heaven[fd]
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada94 Posts
November 19 2002 19:27 GMT
#3
thx mensrea
very intresting read maybe u guys can explain more to us
like
how do they determine the #1 player
besides wcg
i know they run on points and how do they get them
and such
thx HeaVen
Now Known as rS.Heaven
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 19 2002 23:39 GMT
#4
as far as i know kpga runs the kpga pro gamer ranking where players gets points for all major tournaments, but i dont know the formula they use.

that page wax steals all his news from also has statistics, but they cover every tv match ever played, so stats are a bit out-dated; e.g byun is still #11, grrr is on top 10 etc.
ModeratorFather of bunnies
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
November 20 2002 01:07 GMT
#5
Pure fan
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33550 Posts
November 20 2002 04:51 GMT
#6
STEAL!?!?!

Very much so

mail me :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
November 21 2002 09:37 GMT
#7
Maybe you could make an explanation for KPGA too? Mega matches, extra matches, what is it all about?

And I would also like to know how the player-ranking is calculated.

Thx in advance S;-)
The responsibility of tolerance lies in those who have the wider vision.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
November 21 2002 17:22 GMT
#8
I think we'll let WaxAngel handle the KPGA: he's the expert on it.

Regarding the rankings, the formula depends on which ranking. The two most widely quoted ones are the official KPGA rankings that come out like once a month and the "unofficial" rankings at PGR21.com. Both take into account results from tournaments and mini-events, but they differ in the way the results are weighted. Generally speaking, pgr21 is the more comprehensive of the two, taking account virtually all matches played since the beginning of SC. But, that's not necessarily a good thing, because you get anomalies like Grrr being ranked #10 still overall and [z-zone]byun still ranked #6 among Zerg when he's been retired for over a year now. KPGA assigns greater weight to wins in bigger tournies, as well having a more up-to-date cutoff date for the matches that get counted.

Neither ranking is perfect, but they're both useful, depending on what exactly you're looking to rank (the best players ever? Or just the best players this past 3-4 months? etc.)
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
November 23 2002 06:13 GMT
#9
Wax
Wax
Wax
Wax
Wax
Wax?
The responsibility of tolerance lies in those who have the wider vision.
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
March 03 2003 09:13 GMT
#10
Nice explainations !! I finally understand how all that works :/

the only thing missing might be that the OGN leagues happen 3 times a year (I think).
poland
Profile Joined February 2003
Poland956 Posts
April 07 2003 16:09 GMT
#11
that made no sense at all; i didnt understand one fuckin sentance of yours mensrea.. plz rewrite it in ENGLISH
:p
i dont believe in mimes... do u?
thisiscc
Profile Joined April 2003
United States33 Posts
April 15 2003 05:35 GMT
#12
Do you know the history of the OnGameNet Leagues?
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
March 15 2004 23:21 GMT
#13
so did yellow fail to win the challenge league so he is not in the dual league?
We decide our own destiny
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
March 17 2004 15:08 GMT
#14
On March 16 2004 08:21 Tien wrote:
so did yellow fail to win the challenge league so he is not in the dual league?


I believe so, yes...
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
yOOysi
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland726 Posts
August 20 2004 06:59 GMT
#15
Hmmm thx for explanation this system...


Lee Yun Yeol Fighting~!! // Since December 2002 with TL.net
Nutznick
Profile Joined November 2004
51 Posts
November 20 2004 08:34 GMT
#16
interesting
eternalbliss
Profile Joined August 2004
United States1035 Posts
November 30 2004 12:07 GMT
#17
Nice finally I found the theread to explain all this to me lol and yes it was very clear.
itzMorglum
Profile Joined October 2004
Poland171 Posts
November 30 2004 17:38 GMT
#18
really usefull article enjoyed reading
God created angels to steal loneliness from males, but I have found my angel and she stole my loneliness 4ever
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft488
RuFF_SC2 154
SpeCial 120
ProTech41
Vindicta 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 774
Noble 31
Shuttle 25
Dota 2
monkeys_forever517
NeuroSwarm87
League of Legends
C9.Mang0404
Counter-Strike
taco 791
fl0m546
Foxcn387
m0e_tv385
minikerr10
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox759
Mew2King80
Other Games
summit1g8632
JimRising 455
Maynarde122
KnowMe40
PiLiPiLi8
Liquid`Ken2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1023
BasetradeTV31
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 99
• HeavenSC 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21868
League of Legends
• Stunt478
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 45m
LiuLi Cup
8h 45m
Reynor vs Creator
Maru vs Lambo
PiGosaur Monday
22h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
LiuLi Cup
1d 8h
Clem vs Rogue
SHIN vs Cyan
Replay Cast
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.