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ok, questions about roles (sorry chuiu  )
detective
You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person. You have the ability to, twice a game but not on the same day, ask me what role a specific person has. You will receive a simple yes or no answer to both of those questions.
i don't understand how do you get a yes/no answer to the 2nd question. do you mean you can ask "is this person a paramedic?" or "what role does this person have?"
the latter requires more than a yes/no answer
if it's the former, you could reword it to something like ", ask me whether a person has a certain role"
also, if its the former, and you ask if someone is mafia, do you get a 'yes' if they're a saboteur or suicider?
jack
if jack uses a veteran, that stays for only the day/night cycle that he uses it on, right? else would be a little silly
tyvm :D
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HE GOT MY HOPES UP
I THOUGHT I GOT THE ROLE PM
!!!!!!!!!!!
oh well, kudos to him for a unique campaign at the least
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eh, randombum will probably get a few votes from people that don't really care and think he's a good a candidate as any.
i wonder if chuiu is reading this -- should i bother staying up? will the roles be up in 40ish minutes or no? xD
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people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
now that his role is out of the question (WHY was it even in question? i don't understand, someone roleclaiming @ this point holds as much weight as something that doesn't have a lot of weight at all), what else has he provided? nothing aside from repeatedly self-contradicting posts.
as for the other candidates..meh. i was keeping an updated excel sheet of ALL the people, who they vote for, who supports them, who they support, who accuses them, who they accuse, because it gets oh-so-easy to keep track of people
(i was reading thread @ work and felt like doing that)
then i get home and flip vanilla, so i suddenly get far too lazy to do that =/ maybe someone else can take over, i'll send you what i have right now (it goes up to page 35ish i think?)
oh and it has the list of all the people, their sigs, and potential themes used for clues, ordered by likelihood, since I think that getting a list of clues that could apply to a certain person, then running through the day post to see if any in fact DO match, is a far better way than vice versa (running through the post to see the people they might match to)
someone with a lot of time (randombum?) wanna do this?
ill probably end up voting for ace or randombum, since at least they're attempting logical, objective stuff ,rather than pointless subjective stuff (im looking at you, empyrean and sonuv)
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On March 19 2008 12:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:
What role did emp claim again?
dt
in other news, vote for me, im a bodyguard. i can't be killed while i'm alive. can't beat this platform, there's no logical holes in that at all
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On March 19 2008 12:11 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote:
people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
I PM'd Ace something. Don't worry.
Hi FS incarnate.
How are you this fine eve?
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On March 19 2008 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 12:13 JeeJee wrote:On March 19 2008 12:11 Empyrean wrote:On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote:
people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
I PM'd Ace something. Don't worry. Hi FS incarnate. How are you this fine eve? *watches as JeeJee slowly stirs the shit*
Don't you mean the kal? (urbandictionary's full of shi---err kal!)
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On March 19 2008 12:21 Ace wrote:
turn that frown upside down!
and, to make this mafia related, due to a few sidebets before the game started, there's a group of 3 people (im 1 of them) that 'know' each other's roles! we could've lied of course, but we're buddies, we wouldn't do that.. i hope.
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the thing about tying up mafia's roleblocker..
it's not like they have anything better to roleblock anyway. if they want someone not to act, they can kill them, and it's unlikely that they'll find out a jack or medic any time soon (and once again, if they do, they can just kill them)
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On March 20 2008 07:47 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Doesn't look like it's going to be possible to enforce the voting rule with 34 people unaccounted for.
numbers are irrelevant, we have a few people on waiting list, get them in, randomly disperse the roles to townies (im just saying this cause im vanilla haha), and say the rest died in a tragic forest fire. no point making rules if you're not enforcing them, however harsh it may be. less dead weight for mafia to hang about in anyway (notice there's a lot less mafia relatively, 15% vs 20% so dead weight is that much more deadly)
if you really want to, give them one more chance to vote in 2nd day, but with a 48hour timeline, that really shouldn't be necessary
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im pretty certain jacks have access to 6 rolechecks. however keep in mind they cannot use the same role in consecutive days, meaning it would take 12 days for all 6 rolechecks, at the least. after all, if the checks don't refresh in count, why would the detective night lives?
hopefully chuiu can confirm, but i don't think it's a big deal to have a check every other day/night cycle for 12 cycles.
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@hotzhot, the final vote count has already been done, so..
as for ace, looking through the thread, he seems to post at every hour of every day pretty much; i wonder if he sleeps? O_o
still let's not get off on the wrong foot with forcing ace to lynch someone he might not want. we don't want the same shit that happened last game (i.e. a bad start)
there's no particular hurry anyway, the day post was posted 45 hours ago, so there's still at least 3 hours til the 'ultimate' deadline. would be silly to do anything until then
disregard that, ace is back.!
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@french toast, heros pink
firstly - the thing about excel spreadsheets. whichever one of you mentioned it, the conversation was between me and ace. however since i flipped vanilla townie, i stopped updating my excel sheet cause i honestly don't give a damn (it's stuck at around page 35ish, the conversation took page on around 40ish).
secondly, this everyone-pm-ace-their-role plan is just that, a plan. plans can go wrong in so many ways. how is this cheap? certainly if you argue that this is cheap, what about my excel spreadsheet? let's assume i wasn't lazy, and actually updated it. as soon as someone died, BAM i could go and see who supported that person, who accused that person, who that person accused, who that person supported, who he voted for, whether he changed votes, etc.
With 9+ kills per night, don't you think that's a retardedly high amount of information? add in the themes and clues i was thinking of (another tab in my excel sheet), and you get a nice suspect list, that you can fine-tune each day, as each death gives a shitload of information to the person. i almost talked myself into getting back to updating this list -_-;
both plans are just ways of getting information, which is necessary for town to win. both are within the rules, and so the game is balanced around them. i find it hard to believe that chuiu didn't take this into account. if he didn't want this to happen, he can ban PMs, plain and simple (like in tracil's game)
seriously now don't be silly
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On March 21 2008 10:51 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 21 2008 05:43 Fishball wrote:On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:
Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him? All elements aside, just this specific case as an example. If I were Mayor and Mafia, I could fake a claim that I got roleblocked so I don't use my double lynches. But I don't believe you can hide your voting power. You can't spread your votes out so your vote would always be higher than other townies IF he wasn't roleblocked, meaning he would actually be roleblocked WITHOUT a DT confirming this would show he was targeted by a mafia member. So we wouldn't need a DT to confirm mafia targeted him, which would imply his innocence also. I believe Ace now. 100%. In day, when he votes we will see him only having 1 vote and that should show us his true face regardless of a DT stepping forward. Thank you Saboteur. Unless he's lying about being roleblocked? Not that I think that's the case, I'm just pointing out that the logic you applied there isn't perfect. We already have our methods to confirm he's a townie (bodyguards, dts), I'm giving detectives until day then I'll be pretty confident he's a townie and I'll be pming my role.
why would a townie mayor lie about being roleblocked?
edit: the only thing that has me thinking is this
Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night.
either chuiu isn't that strict about making sure the sab tells him before day starts, or the first day is an exception
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On March 21 2008 13:56 OneBlueAugust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 10:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 21 2008 05:25 OneBlueAugust wrote:
This may have been clarified earlier, but activity is judged not just by forum posts, right? I've been relatively active in PMs, as I feel that's the only wise way to express my thoughts at the moment, but I haven't posted here yet at all. Active in PM's huh? Who can verify your activity? My Dota buddies. If it becomes necessary, they can back me up. Although I guess I shouldn't have said PMs, as it's been conversations off of TL.net, but it's pretty much the same thing.
i vouch for august ^_^
he's one of the group of 3 i mentioned earlier (it's actually 4 now!) that 'know' each other's roles due to sidebets from before the game.
and obviously it's in quotes because we could've lied. i wouldn't want to be a buddy with a liar though. *cough*
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@august
the person who helped run tracil's game is alethios, who is playing this game
the person who said anything about martial law was only rts)nightmare and this was in the first thread, and he is playing.
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On March 21 2008 14:22 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Seems like a few decent leads on them, then.
personally i doubt they were intended clues (at least intended to be interpreted in this way) but you never know (no but seriously, i think it's really unlikely those are clues at all, let alone clues to those people, but..)
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i'd imagine mafia are probably using an irc channel for immediate thoughts and something like a private google group for people in a diff timezone or whatnot. that's what we did in tracil's game anyway, and it worked out fairly well
anyway the day post being up has probably nothing to do with chuiu, he has to get all the night actions (more than just mafia) in before even thinking about what happens. and it's not like once they're in he instantly has a day post ready to go. have some patience ^_^
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On March 22 2008 03:57 Eti307 wrote:
Okay I was Mafia last game and here is the way I see we should do things:
Don't throw wild accusations based on nothing else but posts made in this thread. Keep in mind that clues are there to help us catch the mafia and we should base our lynch on those and not on internal struggles. Town did that last game and it really didn't help them.
I think it's pretty much impossible to accuse anyone without the first set of clues. So yeah we will lose a couple tonight but at the same time we will gain some knowledge about the mafias. Never forget that, if you accuse someone try to link him to a clue, it's the best way we have to catch them.
Lastly I didn't read all of the 88pages so far (wtf, overkill) and I don't think I will, but I will start keeping up with this thread as soon as day#2 arrive and we have the first set of clues.
we already have a set of clues in the day1 post
day 2 is gonna have the 2nd set of clues :O
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On March 22 2008 07:41 ZBiR wrote:Some of you people are sooo impatient
you sound awfully calm for a townie. maybe you know something we dont. and only way that happens is you being mafia. wanna come clean?
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On March 22 2008 10:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2008 07:48 JeeJee wrote:On March 22 2008 07:41 ZBiR wrote:Some of you people are sooo impatient you sound awfully calm for a townie. maybe you know something we dont. and only way that happens is you being mafia. wanna come clean? Naiiiiiib, where aaaaaare yooooooooou?
i don't get it O_o
anyway, could we get a time estiamte from chuiu? where are we at, night actions being sent, night actions received creating clues, clues done creating daypost, or..? i'm juts wondering :O
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