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Canada336 Posts
March 18 2008 15:51 GMT
#508
cmon guys dont put Ghar in the mayor or pardonner's position, he's not 100% clean, theres already clues pointing towards him that i ll not tell again.
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March 18 2008 18:33 GMT
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Ghar if you dont know how to us properly quotes then dont use them.
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March 18 2008 18:58 GMT
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On March 19 2008 03:55 Ghar wrote:
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Ghar's "detective" propostion has a high cost: we blow half of our detectives' most important ability on the first night. What do we gain for losing this? We know whether or not our mayor is Mafia. But this is not even such valuable information! If he is elected already, there is nothing we can do about losing the double lynches. THE "DETECTIVE PLAN" IS NOT WORTH IT.


8 investigates, it's unlikely the detectives will find a mafia with each one. particularly when mafia have 9 kills a night. What I propose is detectives working together, using their other abilities. To do that though, they need total confidence in the mayor.

What would you propose the detectives do? Work alone? Trust the mayor without really being sure?


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March 18 2008 20:13 GMT
#608
oh god, i was so sure i would be pointed out as Mr.Pink.
i don't think clues are that easy to find
PS: i had the same thing about SoMuchBetter
im suspecting Ghar and SoMuchBetter atm
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March 18 2008 20:28 GMT
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On March 19 2008 05:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
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On March 19 2008 05:21 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
On March 19 2008 05:13 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
oh god, i was so sure i would be pointed out as Mr.Pink.
i don't think clues are that easy to find
PS: i had the same thing about SoMuchBetter
im suspecting Ghar and SoMuchBetter atm


actually i noted your name while going through the list of profiles and clues, but basing suspicion off of just having 'pink' in your name isn't much to go on...

here's some of the clues/connections i came up with earlier in the thread:

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On March 18 2008 20:41 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.

"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.

Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.

Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.

Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.

Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.

Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.



Your "Wolf" clue interpretation is pretty good I think


yup i think its the best u have found, and i also like the one about zeks

PS: its Ablino not Albino <3 (Mr.Pink)
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March 18 2008 23:41 GMT
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Well even if empyrean is telling a lie he's more clean than Ace (for me), Ace was defending Ghar's point of view (another candidate) + Ghar have clues against him, and the mafia has probably sent 2 candidates for the mayor's position and that could be the reason why Ghar was ready to give up his votes to Ace
On March 19 2008 01:28 Ghar wrote:
For people that might have missed my plans as mayor, the link is in my profile page.
And I support Ace. Don't know if he's towny or not, but we think alike. So should I end up not getting enough votes, Ace would make a nice alternative if we need to combine votes to win.

Why would he do that if he really wants to be the mayor? Cuz they both think alike? I dont think so, they had almost the same plan which is another coincidence. So Don't start voting for Ace because he's accusing Empyrean of being too much unsafe for the town.
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March 19 2008 00:34 GMT
#819
Well having empyrean as pardonner might be a good thing for the town, if he really is a detective im sure he would use is ability wisely.
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Last Edited: 2008-03-19 00:46:34
March 19 2008 00:45 GMT
#826
still the only way (if that happen) to have a BG killed would be to have the town to lynch one bodyguard (or by vigilante) since mafia wont kill the BG to reveal themselves.
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March 19 2008 03:37 GMT
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On March 18 2008 20:41 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.


Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.


I think those 2 should be in the top list of who to lynch first, pretty good connections made by xdark.carnivalx
1-Zeks
2-CTStalker
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Last Edited: 2008-03-19 03:55:40
March 19 2008 03:55 GMT
#936
On March 19 2008 12:52 ahrara_ wrote:
Ok, I see what you're saying there, and agree with you. It's still a bad idea to ask others to lynch people based on a clue.


well i never asked anybody to lynch them, u are free to decide if u agree with the clues or not, if not then thats alright but at this time in the game we have to start somewhere. In day 2, if theres already a list of suspect then it would be easier to point the finger on who is a mafia and who's not
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March 20 2008 00:18 GMT
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On March 20 2008 09:08 Ghar wrote:
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Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected.

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I have a concern with Ace's plan:

suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages

then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort.


This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME.
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March 20 2008 00:33 GMT
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On March 20 2008 09:30 ahrara_ wrote:
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Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected.

I have a concern with Ace's plan:

suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages

then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort.


This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME.

What do you mean?


what I mean is that its useless to quote what someone say if u remove his name, it could be a fake quote just to fuck everyone, i dont mean its what he's doing but it would be better to leave the name in the quote to avoid such thing
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March 20 2008 04:09 GMT
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On March 20 2008 13:03 bumatlarge wrote:
CTStalker hasn't said much, but he voted. Also alot of people found the "wolf" clue to link to him in multiple ways. Wouldn't be a big loss if he was townie.

I agree with him he should be the first one to be lynched to see at least if we arent that bad @ finding clues
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March 20 2008 04:28 GMT
#1260
Yeah like I was pretty sure it would happen, Ace isnt helping the town with that lynch
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Last Edited: 2008-03-20 20:22:16
March 20 2008 20:14 GMT
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Edit:im stupid
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March 20 2008 20:44 GMT
#1598
On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:
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On March 21 2008 05:14 Ziel wrote:
Seriously i hope ppl DONT SEND IN THEIR PMS YET TO ACE! for the plain and simple fact that we dont even know hes clean yet. wait a DT confirms. if all the blues send in their pms (or a number of them), and ace turns out to be mafia, we're as good as dead!

Ok, time to sleep. It's 4AM and I gotta wake up at 7 for a full day of experiments >_<


Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?


to make him less of a suspect to the town?
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Last Edited: 2008-03-20 21:38:12
March 20 2008 21:36 GMT
#1610
On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote:
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On March 21 2008 06:22 CDRdude wrote:
On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that.

Perhaps you didn't see what happened in the last game; it was a worse rape than the OSL finals. The town needs to get it's act together this time, and start making a comeback. Also, the plan isn't that bad. It gives a known townie information, which always helps, and he can use that to reduce the odds of hitting town instead of mafia.


I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging.

I agree, this game is all about challenge, it isnt a game about Lets ALL play with our roles revealed so that we can Kill mafia Easly, thats what is happening atm. people thinking that way (theres a shit load of poeple wanting this) should just not play as simple as that.
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Last Edited: 2008-03-20 21:58:59
March 20 2008 21:57 GMT
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On March 21 2008 06:51 Scorch wrote:
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On March 21 2008 06:36 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote:
On March 21 2008 06:22 CDRdude wrote:
On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that.

Perhaps you didn't see what happened in the last game; it was a worse rape than the OSL finals. The town needs to get it's act together this time, and start making a comeback. Also, the plan isn't that bad. It gives a known townie information, which always helps, and he can use that to reduce the odds of hitting town instead of mafia.


I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging.

I agree, this game is all about challenge, it isnt a game about Lets ALL play with our roles revealed so that we can Kill mafia Easly, thats what is happening atm. people thinking that way (theres a shit load of poeple wanting this) should just not play as simple as that.

May I remind you two that there is no safe way of revealing one's role? People can just lie without easily being noticed, you know? Ace's strategy is forcing mafia to do just that: lie. Town is far from winning. It's just one step in building up information and spotting contratictions to hopefully catch a couple of mafia in the end. How can you come to the conclusion that this strategy is cheap?

What i meant is that its freaking boring, but thats just me, im still gonna play the game even with this ass strategy, but i wont pm my role and thats my right. u can put me on ur mafia list, I dont care, just cause im against the town's strategy then go on. Thats what happened last game poeple were being lynch just because some people didnt like them and then every other player did the same without a clue.
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March 20 2008 22:09 GMT
#1621
On March 21 2008 07:05 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
ok sherlok, tell us a different strategy to win. Or what are you proposing? random hits? lmao

random hit have already been done by Ace didnt worked well, I'm in no position to tell u another strategy since we dont know if our clues are good @ the moment since Ace didnt lynch that CTStalker or something like that with his first lynch.
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#1630
On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote:
So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game?

plz its HeRoS) not Heroes -ty
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