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randombum: He showed his skills in the previous game (one of the vigilantes who did an amazing job), his voting pattern was good (according to a quote earlier in the thread, I haven't checked maybe I should) and I actually liked the mass PM, not because of the content but because of the effort involved in actually doing that. It shows he's dedicated, and that's something we need for the mayor. Empyrean: Experience as mafia, knows how they think also if he is a detective a detective mayor would be incredibly devestating against the mafia. araav: Basically I was impressed by how quickly he came up with the numbers. I had thought of doing something like that myself but never got around to it cos I'd have to do a lot of learning along the way. Massive props for that. Also someone mentioned "why would you pick a mayor because they can program c++?", my answer is for the bodyguards, because information like that is deadly to the mafia, we will be able to pick up trends and a lot more through smart use of his skills. Also, it's all well and good to say "but I can do that too", but you haven't posted results, araav has. Based off this, I think randombum should be mayor because imo he has proven himself to be capable of picking out mafia and will be useful in the leadership position, and araav as pardoner (I know we don't get to vote for this, but we should organise the vote to cover this) purely for the protection of bodyguards. The reason I pick araav over empyrean is purely because we know araav can provide the results and they are checkable, whereas empyrean, we are not 100% positive he is a detective, and it would be difficult to determine this, maybe not until it is too late. | ||
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On March 19 2008 18:08 Ghar wrote: No love for Ghar? =[ Well, it'd be harder to get you into office  | ||
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On March 19 2008 11:58 Ace wrote: Needless to say I'm very,very uncomfortable with Empyrean even being Pardoner nevertheless Mayor. Seriously people that are voting for Empyrean what exactly are you basing this vote off of? The fact that he played well last round even though he was Mafia? The wrong thinking that since he was Mafia last round that he surely can't be Mafia this round? Those 2 points are clearly not going to help choose a Good Mayor. But that isn't my problem with his candidacy - this is: He role claimed Detective. This one action brings out a major problem. At this point we can't verify that Empyrean is legit as a DT. We pretty much have to go on blind trust, and I'm begging those of you who have played this game before to recall what happens when we act on blind faith. Nothing good will come out of it. Why would someone claim a key role like that early, saying that they fear they would be killed at night? If he really was acting in the best interest of the town, he would realize that as a key target the Medics would protect him and how that simple action puts a spin on the Mafia killing power. But he went the selfish route. Even more so, Empyrean never had a plan until myself and Ghar put plans up. He never even read the original plans and even got qsr's plan analyzed WRONG. How can this guy be a good candidate even though he didn't read many of the posts that are the main focus of discussion right now? But besides all of that, the final nail in the coffin is the fact that everyone says Empyrean is a good player. As any good mafia player will tell you, role claiming is a great strategy - only when done at the right time. The very beginning of the game when nothing can be proved, Empyrean an acclaimed good player role claims. He even admits that it can't be proved but we should just trust him. Think this out guys. A GOOD player that has not acted on logic, has not posted a plan till later in voting, and is running on a platform of "trust me based on my actions last game" which have no bearing on his status this game. HOW is this going to help us survive? He has not done anything so far that shows me or many others he is capable of acting in the best interest of the town and has even admitted it. Empyrean is smart - and he certainly isn't running on a platform that shows that. It's a trust platform, and right now the best thing we can do is vote based on plans of action and leadership NOT trust - because that can't be proven until later. Stop voting for him. I may have a slight lead right now, but by tomorrow who knows how the voting will stack up. I may even never get the Mayor position. I'm not comfortable with a guy who's acting selfishly and irrationally on Day 1 in any position of power. Even if he is Pardoner I'd be worried. Once I again I'm begging you guys to reconsider. I feel this needs emphasis.. | ||
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Though I'm not suggesting we should kill of a detective to confirm, OR that the plan is massively flawed, I'm just pointing out. That is unless I'm missing something... | ||
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On March 21 2008 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: But I don't believe you can hide your voting power. You can't spread your votes out so your vote would always be higher than other townies IF he wasn't roleblocked, meaning he would actually be roleblocked WITHOUT a DT confirming this would show he was targeted by a mafia member. So we wouldn't need a DT to confirm mafia targeted him, which would imply his innocence also. I believe Ace now. 100%. In day, when he votes we will see him only having 1 vote and that should show us his true face regardless of a DT stepping forward. Thank you Saboteur. Unless he's lying about being roleblocked? Not that I think that's the case, I'm just pointing out that the logic you applied there isn't perfect. We already have our methods to confirm he's a townie (bodyguards, dts), I'm giving detectives until day then I'll be pretty confident he's a townie and I'll be pming my role. | ||
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You will know who your fellow mafia members are and get the ability to kill townies each night. | ||
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During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (its a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Casts doubt on the "each mafia is directly related" deal.. Chuiu (or anyone), can you clear this up? Does each mafia need to vote for townies to kill? | ||
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On March 23 2008 21:45 BWdero wrote: I dont know, I assumed that mafia just sent in a list. You cant have mafia individually hit someone since there are 20 mafia and only 9 kills. Gotta love logic... haha probably should have applied this earlier, well as you(Plexa) said it looks more daming with that in mind. For now though I'll wait for ace to tell us something. | ||
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On March 23 2008 22:22 Empyrean wrote: Heh. In the first game, I feigned ignorance about how the mafia operated. If you're mafia, don't think that this trick'll save you :O I was genuinely unsure.. Ugh looking at what I just typed makes me realise anything I say can be interpreted as me being mafia. I think I'm just gonna drop it haha. | ||
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That head clues was used twice, it almost seemed as if he was TRYING to kill ghar.. | ||
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Thank god we have plexa and fusion working through the clues, I haven't been able to follow this as much as I had hoped, I wanted to be analysing everything setting up huge excel tables and shit, but uni kills all my time, so thanks guys for all the effort you're putting in! | ||
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On April 11 2008 16:49 Plexa wrote: As we are looking for an Electricity connection, the Storm (and hence ID) don't really apply to this aspect of Taipan. Also, the juxtaposition of the name is also lacking from Taipan - hence it is fairly safe to assume that TranceStorm is not Taipan Snake and hence Trancestorm is not mafia. While I agree with pretty much all your methodology I don't think you can make the claim "because the juxtaposition doesn't exist then it increases his chance of not being mafia" and for proof I bring quesadilla, whose *only* connection to the clues was his signature, his name wasn't relevant but it was still him. Fair enough it turned out TranceStorm was townie, and the rest of his stuff doesn't match up as well as it seems people were thinking, as you've pointed out. I'm just trying to avoid us falling into the trap of saying "This clue fits X but Y doesn't fit therefore it can't be him" when we've seen that this can be the case. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything else you've been saying. Let's see some red by nightfall. | ||
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On April 11 2008 17:33 Plexa wrote: fair enough, i would argue that the juxtaposition isn't a central argument but is something which increases the chance of him being innocent. But the clue should match pretty seamlessly to one particular profile trait of the mafia Cool, yeah I was just clarifying I guess. You're right it definitely has to be a good match. | ||
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