My votes go to Fakesteve and SoMuchBetter. Sorry Fakesteve, I think you pose a more serious threat to us townies than the mafia. I dont quite get whats going on between you and tracil but I believe most of the time Tracil does make more sense than you do, well.. atleast most of the time he isnt that rude. : / If we do vote for a new mayor, i think its best if the mayor lets the townies decide when and on who shall he use his powers on instead of using it based on his own decisions. Whats the point of having a mayor when all he does is lynch his fellow townies for no good reason...
We need a leader who we can trust and believe in.. and clearly fakesteve failed to fill that role : ) Goodbye Fakesteve, see you in the next mafia game.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 23 2008 06:22 GMT

#2100

FS wasnt mafia... This really sucks for us townies now.
39 townies, 13 mafia... 3:1 ratio, no mayor.. and its night time now. : (

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 23 2008 14:13 GMT

#2126

ZBiR.. probably because fakesteve was doing an awesome job killing innocent townies.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 09:01 GMT

#2258

The situation right now is getting desperate, and i believe that desperate situation calls for desperate action. Honestly speaking, this just isnt looking good for the townies.. if things carry on like this we ARE going to lose. We outnumber the mafia by 3:1, but the diference in numbers do not mean anything considering how the mafia are organized, while we are not. Im proposing something radical.. I think it IS possible for the townies to actually be organized, not all of us.. but only a small number that matters the most in the game. This small group will only receive orders by a single person who we are sure is a townie, this single person will be the "head" of the group, only he knows the members of the group and is responsible to coordinate and organize each action of its members. So you might be asking, who are the members? how are we going to make sure they are not mafia? Well, this is where this list plays a role.

2 of 3 Vigilante alive.
1 of 2 Detective alive.
4 of 4 Paramedic alive.
2 of 4 Elder alive.
3 of 4 Veteran alive.
(i removed pardoner and bodyguards considering they COULD be mafia, correct me if im wrong)

Yes, this list the key. These are the only people who are going to make a difference in this game for the townies. Im suggesting that these people will submit their names and roles to the appointed "head". From there this leader will be able to systematically organize and use any information and
abilities gained from of its members.
So some of you might ask, what if there's undercover mafia claiming any one of these roles? Well, lets say that 5 people claim to be paramedics, we know that there are only 4 paramedics out there , that means that 1 of them is a fake a.k.a mafia. Keep in mind, only the "head" knows all the information, no information is passed among members of the group.. effectively rendering any infiltration useless. Keep in mind, in this scenario the head will know there is a mafia within the paramedic group.. thus is his responsibility to investigate and figure out who is the mafia. Obviously it isnt very smart for the mafia to go undercover in this group since it will only get their names shortlisted.
In order to select the "head", i believe it is wise to actually just to random on this.. the chances are still 1/3 that the person randomly selected is a townie, if not.. then we are screwed.. or we could just use a person that we all trust is a townie, which is definitely not wise since at this point, anyone could be mafia.

I dont see any other way for the townies to make it out of this... feedback needed ASAP. We need to act fast before the next night comes around.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 12:04 GMT

#2267

Ok then, disregard my last post.. lets all wait patiently to get screwed by the mafia. j/k.

To CDRdude, like i said... we are getting desperate, and the current situation is we dont have many leads on who is mafia, and who is not... and as much as my proposed idea sounds batshit insane, i feel its one of things we could do to win this game back instead of just waiting to die, nobody else seems to have a plan it seems. Basically its an all-in-strategy... with nothing to lose at this point. I dont think most of the townies are inactive, they're just too scared to post opinions and ideas on fearing mafia might target them, I was one of them.

btw, if your criticizing my idea on not having a solid method for picking a townie as head.. then tell me, what solid foundations are you on when voting for lynches? Right now its a 72% chance of picking a townie at random compared to 28% chance for picking a mafia at random. 72% is a large number.. think about it.

Btw, sorry for having wrong facts. I somehow got the idea that bodyguards were elected by the mayor.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 12:21 GMT

#2269

Well, tracil is right i guess..but i think it needs to be done in secret, we dont want mafia claiming to be elders..right?

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 13:29 GMT

#2272

So once we get a hold of an elder, we probably would want all remaining paramedics available to protect him over the night... but is 4 paramedics enough? : ) Im unclear on this, can anyone explain?

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 14:52 GMT

#2280

OK, wait a sec... now we have ourselves a possible candidate.. someone who claims to be an elder, before anyone does anything stupid.. DONT PM HIM YOUR ROLES JUST YET. . He needs to prove himself first, for all we know.. he might be mafia.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 25 2008 14:58 GMT

#2281

Now we have on our hand a "possible" elder.. there is no turning back I suppose? But for now.. keep your roles to yourself.
To HotZhot.. you need to prove yourself first... tell us who are you going to doublevote? Only then we are able to use you knowing you are indeed a townie.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 26 2008 05:05 GMT

#2347

Just to inform everyone, after the last vote count, HotZhot has definitely proven himself to be an elder. We now definitely know for sure he is indeed a townie, and an elder at that.. if any of you have read my previous post then i believe you should know what to do know. Time is very limited, townies need to act fast in this... I know this plan might sound pretty insane, but it would give us atleast a fighting chance against the mafia considering our dire situation right now. To all remaining medics, I would feel it is best if you watch over HotZhot for the nights to come. He is a VERY attractive target for the mafia, so expect him to be targeted soon. Even if the mafia manages to take the guy out, they will have to waste a lot of resources, buying us townies more time to act. For those of you who have no idea what im talking about, go to page 113 and read my post there. To HotZhot, once you receive any information.. keep it to yourself first. If you have your suspicions on anyone and have valid evidence to prove it, just tell the board who you want to be lynched.. I dont think you need to tell us the reason, but of course.. dont get it wrong. This is all I have to say, our elder has shown himself.. there is no turning back.

edit: To put it simple, all remaining townies who have special powers, pm HotZhot and inform him about your powers and information you have gathered so far. For example, if your a medic.. then mention the list of people who you have watched over the previous nights. If your a veteran, tell us if you have been targeted before. You get the picture. Dont worry, all information is kept private by HotZhot who is a proven townie.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 26 2008 06:16 GMT

#2349

Its ok if the mafia kill him, I believe its win either way.. to be honest, elders powers wont win the game for the townies.. if the mafia want to target him... then go ahead, although they would waste a lot of their resources just to take out one guy. : )

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 26 2008 07:42 GMT

#2351

At this point in time, I have identified the 2nd elder... he is willing to cooperate in the case that HotZhot gets killed overnight. I will keep the identity of the 2nd elder secret for now... The elders have played their roles, now its totally up to you special townies.

again.. Calling all townies with special powers.. PM your abilities and gathered information to HotZhot. He is a CONFIRMED/PROVEN townie and elder... Your information/roles will be kept private. For further explanation, check my post on page 113. There is no turning back, our elders life is at risk here.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 26 2008 13:56 GMT

#2359

On February 26 2008 22:44 Tracil wrote:
Why would dnimsab have identified the second elder? Why would the second elder tell him?

Keep in mind that the initial plan dnimsab presented was *critically flawed* and involved a random response. Now, the plan itself wasn't bad... after I fixed it, but it would still be weird to tell anyone but HotZhot about this.

Mang. I'm not saying it's a scumtell, but I am trying to get people to be careful.

A person has approached me and claims to be the second elder, he has yet to prove himself though.. I know it might sound really weird and suspicious, why would the 2nd elder come up to me and say such a thing? Well, I seriously have no idea what this guy is thinking.. but what i can tell you guys he is willing to prove himself by using the same method that HotZhot used. Just to remind everyone, the information that HotZhot receives is exclusive to himself and the 2nd elder(once he proves himself), so nobody else(that includes me) knows about the information provided by our special townies.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 27 2008 05:20 GMT

#2399

Ok, Im in the process of confirming the identity of the second elder. now just waiting for Chuiu to post an update on the vote count. Also I would like to remind all townies with special powers to post their roles and any related information they found out to HotZhot.

Btw, voting for miss the mark to be lynched.
I hope im not wrong this time...

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

February 27 2008 06:20 GMT

#2405

I have a confirmation on the identity of the second elder, only HotZhot and me know who he is.. I understand that i shouldnt be the one who knows his ID, but it cant be helped.. the 2nd elder approached me first instead of HotZhot. Anyway, we will keep his ID a secret till something happens to HotZhot... Just to assure you townies, no other information is shared between the elders and me.