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It is clear that "tracil" knows what he's doing, and his advice are extremely usefull for those who have never played Mafia before. He comes off as one who you could trust, and one who could lead you, especially if you're a beginner. Yet if he was a mafia, that could be used as a huge advantage for him. A high number Mafia game means a high number of mafia newbs, meaning there will be many gullible minds to fool into trusting him. As a towny, what he's doing is good for the town. As a mafia, what he's doing is even better for the mafia. But if you look at what he's saying, they are very useful, logical tips that would not benefit a mafia. If he was mafia, wouldn't he add in any misleading statements? Then again, perhaps not. IF he was mafia, trust is the first thing he would work at. As a experienced mafia player, he would know this, and know not to make any moves so early in the game that would cast any suspicion to him... If you take a look at the advice he's given, they are fairly basic, simple advices.... which means even IF he was a mafia, the advice he gives to the townies won't hurt him so much, because if it means he becomes mayor, the advantages of mafia becoming a mayor far outweighs the advantages of giving simple basic tips that anyone could figure out themselves. Personally, this inclines me to be very careful of Tracil. If he is one to trust, he is one to rally around. Yet because of this, he is someone you have to be even MORE aware of. <hr> Then there's SoMuchBetter. Relatively simple posts, nothing too informative, which leads me to believe that either he is not on the same side as Tracil, or he is playing a different strategy... of course, this is assuming that tracil is mafia... which is still up in the air. Posting a paint post is a trickly little move. Paint has beeing something of a special-TLnet-thing. We've had some fun threads with Paint, and to make a "vote me for mayor" using Paint means many people will look at it, smile or perhaps chuckle, and lean towards him. It would give him publicity. The rest of his posts, however, have been short lines, and mostly directed towards hints. However, the two posts I've read regarding speculations, have been a bit far-fetched, in my opinion. They are possibilities, but some how I doubt it would be so. This either means he is giving far-fetched clues to throw people off the track, or simply that he is just posting for the sake of making comments, not really thinking through his points. Either way, I am less suspicious of SoMuchBetter than Tracil. <hr> For now I reserve my vote until more has been known... but this is what I've analyzed. | ||
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My reason is that Tracil is a dangerous person. Both SMB and Tracil could be mafia, but I would rather have SMB be a mafia/mayor, than Tracil being a mafia/mayor. If Tracil becomes mayor and turns out to be mafia, he would be, in my opinion, a bigger threat to the town than SMB becoming mayor/mafia. | ||
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One of the mafia kicked down on one side of his chest, his muddy boots sliding off almost causing him to lose balance. My suspicion goes to wurm. "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here" Can't think of someone yet. "We knew there was a spy amongst us, but I never thought it would be you! Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker", My suspicion goes to JeeJee. "That was low, even for you" said another mafia. "Who cares where I stab him, all is fair" he protested, My suspicion goes to NotSorry, or ShaLLoW[baY] As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group to get much needed rest for the day to come. Can't think of someone yet. | ||
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On February 12 2008 08:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I've been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to figure out how you've linked that clue with me, it doesn't make any sense :p low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess. | ||
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Let's take this and break it down (after I stop laughing) I think it's much more powerful that Dr.Dragoon is mafia than ShaLLoW[baY]. 1. If shallow was a mafia, he would never expose a fellow mafia. 2 .Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a very stupid idea, something that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do. Why? Because obviously the person who was being targetted would retaliate, reject that such a message was ever sent, and defend himself. 3. Dr.Dragoon's reply was On February 12 2008 09:17 Dr.Dragoon wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Clearly proving that he was mafia. If he was NOT mafia, his first reply would be "What the hell I never posted that!". I don't think we can lynch yet, but if we can, I vote we lynch Dr.Dragoon | ||
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He has NO REASON to reveal himself because 1. That would get him killed, and 2. Mafia's know who other mafia's are. @ Tracil: I am not trying to expose you. I simply saw that the community was reacting very positively to your post, and wanted to simply say "hey, slow down a moment... you could be heading straight for a trap". I am very tempted to trust you as well, but the fact remains true that you know what you're doing. It's only been day 1, the evidence is far too short to make any accusations on my part to catagorize you as mafia or townie. I am simply being cautious, and voicing my opinion. There is also a second motive, but that will be revealed soon. Right now my suspicion is very low on everyone except Dragoon. It's only Day 1, and we need far more clues and some misshaps like Dragoon's to really point fingers. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:18 Tracil wrote: @ L2W: Hmm. Accepted that it's true townies shouldn't just blindly act in one direction. Still a bit miffed but I like your tone so far. However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) Oh of course not. I am 99% sure Dragoon is a mafia. He is going to get lynched no matter what. I was addressing to those who believe Shallow should also be lynched. In my opinion he has no reason to be suspected... everything he did makes logical sense, while Dragoon's actions makes no sense if he was a townie. | ||
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The top two are: Dr.Dragoon (99%) Caller (80%) The other's I am awaiting more clues. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:43 JeeJee wrote: I was going to make an excel sheet of everyone's name, current sig, profile, and any interesting notes (such as the dragoon fiasco right now) but I got bored around member 30. Anyone want to do this? I really want to know what the hell it means to bow with one arm outstretched. It seems like the only clue that's not a red herring in the Day One post. yea I've been thinking on that for awhile, but I can't come to a conclusion yet. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:42 Caller wrote: i'm not trying to change your mind or anything, but can i just see what your reasoning is for putting me up so high? Actually much of my suspicion is based on the fact that #1 is correct. If #1 turns out wrong then my entire theory falls. | ||
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On February 12 2008 11:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote: tracil after reading your posts i am seriously considering revoking my vote. I find that intriguing. My suspicion of Tracil has actually gone way down. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to? the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game. | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:54 Live2Win wrote: LOOOOOL omg this is hilarious. Let's take this and break it down (after I stop laughing) I think it's much more powerful that Dr.Dragoon is mafia than ShaLLoW[baY]. 1. If shallow was a mafia, he would never expose a fellow mafia. 2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a very stupid idea, something that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do. Why? Because obviously the person who was being targetted would retaliate, reject that such a message was ever sent, and defend himself. 3. Dr.Dragoon's reply was Clearly proving that he was mafia. If he was NOT mafia, his first reply would be "What the hell I never posted that!". I don't think we can lynch yet, but if we can, I vote we lynch Dr.Dragoon Disprove all three points, and I will change my opinion | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:19 Alethios wrote: You mean affect. Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him! I suck at telling the difference on when to use which one. What nervousness are you talking about? Are talking to me or Dragoon? | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:53 mahnini wrote: To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake). First of all, .jpeg is the default save format for Paint. Second, in my opinion you guys are thinking way ahead into this. The explanation "I saved in JPEG because last time I saved in .png people made a big fuss about it" is a perfectly good explanation, and I personally see no reason to be particularily suspicious about that. The Dr.Dragoon case, however, still has me convinced he should be lynched. | ||
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On February 12 2008 14:19 mahnini wrote: I just checked and recheck. Default image format is 24-bit .bmp. It makes zero sense to change a picture to .jpeg after posting a previous picture in .png since he already established that he did it habitually, which he now disproved by posting a .jpeg. This still doesn't change the fact that this could be an elaborate mafia plot to test the waters so to speak of how to get rid of someone. from the Windows program Paint? Every computer I've ever been on has always had JPEG as the default.  | ||
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On February 12 2008 14:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: The mafioso who killed Chuiu's name started with i. This leaves us with: -ieatkids5 -imDerek -ilovezil -infinity21 The prononciation of "iaaagh" implies that the "i" is clearly pronounced, leaving us with ilovezil, ieatkids5, and imDerek. Chuiu joined teamliquid in 2003, and has been "a thorn in my side since the day I got here". This implies that it has been a long time that Chuiu has been irritating the person in question. The issue arises here that the closest join date was that of ieatkids5, in September 2004. I'm still working out this clue, but I think it places ieatkids5 as a good suspect at this time, with ilovezil and imDerek close behind. [EDIT=Breakthrough] Depending on how Aepplet is pronounced, it could be taken as "i-pplet". Aepplet joined the site in 2003, mere months after Chuiu! [EDIT] wow, great catch right there.... Definately helpful. | ||
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