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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 11 2008 20:39 GMT
#220
I'm voting FakeSteve for mayor.

His threat was so open... It was his first post of the new day and he opens with a shitty threat. I'm leaning to trust him more than any other person at the moment (Aside from the dead guys. We can trust them) , simply because I can't see any reason why a mafia hit man would do that. It isn't going to win him much trust from the public (as you can see with just the one solitary vote) nor will it win him much publicity. Thus, I vote for the man who have would gained nothing by his actions.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 11 2008 20:53 GMT
#222
This statement is only false.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Tracil.

That being said... looking purely at the "evidence" released at dawn:

There are many things that could be taken for clues, but really... without further evidence we have no way of separating the clues from the red herrings. Even if we did know which are clues, so much of it is utterly ambiguous at this point. If the person below me for instance, pick a person at random, I could find "evidence" that the person was one of last night's killers.

We do however, have several things that leap out:
1. "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here".
2. "That was low, even for you"
3. "As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group..."

All very peculiar...
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 11 2008 21:03 GMT
#227
On February 12 2008 05:56 Live2Win wrote:
I vote for SoMuchBetter

My reason is that Tracil is a dangerous person. Both SMB and Tracil could be mafia, but I would rather have SMB be a mafia/mayor, than Tracil being a mafia/mayor. If Tracil becomes mayor and turns out to be mafia, he would be, in my opinion, a bigger threat to the town than SMB becoming mayor/mafia.


If both are reasonably dangerous? I can understand not voting for Tracil over SMB, but why vote for either?
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:00 GMT
#457
Just regarding detectives:

Since their job is to verify evidence, when somebody is really pressing a point about some particular clue... It's likely they know what they are talking about.

On a side note:

I realise most of the people this is addressed to will have been told this before... but could you please make the effort to push enter every once in a while? Makes trawling through 10-15 pages of posts that much easier. Reading through a wall of text is never fun.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:02 GMT
#459
On February 12 2008 11:56 CDRdude wrote:
I vote for RON PAUL. No, I'm just kidding. Is that even funny anymore?


No, it's not. RP advocates teaching creationism in schools. Bastard.

On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH"

Edit: Or is it "sike"? Oh noes, an edit.


You are soooo dead mate. Sorry to say it.

On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart.

what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".

It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide.

Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that.


well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies .

You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.

I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know.


exactly what i thought and said

Not like it was hard to figure out =/

It went way over CDRdude's head:/

I'm vertically challenged, that's all


Ooooo... a link to the short clue thing?
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:07 GMT
#464
On February 12 2008 12:03 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:
On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
[quote]
what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".

It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide.

Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that.


well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies .

You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.

I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know.


exactly what i thought and said

Not like it was hard to figure out =/

It went way over CDRdude's head:/

I'm vertically challenged, that's all


oooooooooh! you're vertically challenged you say? "That was low, even for you" said another mafia." sound familiar? it makes sense. vertically challenged could mean that you're "low". what doesnt make sense is why you would intentionally make a statement like that. unless you want me to think that it doesnt make sense and a mafia member would never give himself away because you're ............MAFIOSO!!


But did the illustrious organisers know this? If not, i can't say it's a particularly amazing piece of evidence... rather stupid slip up to make. Surely he's read the new day post too. If he was a mafia, he would be thinking "oh dear... that one is me!" then be on his guard against letting on that he was short.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:09 GMT
#466
On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to.

Wow... can't edit.

Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting....
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:13 GMT
#472
On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to.

Wow... can't edit.

Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting....

You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.

Thats what i mean about does Chuiu know you are short. Because if he doesn't... it's a stupidly weak argument for your mafia status.

If he did know however... leads to a whole different set of conclusions.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:19 GMT
#478
On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all!

I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer.

Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to?

the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.

You mean affect.

Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him!
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:27 GMT
#487
On February 12 2008 12:21 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
why is everyone jumping all over dr.dragoon when that screenshot/pm (if it happened looked) like an obvious joke. the mafia know who each other are, so why would he pm someone like that?


i posted this awhile back, but it sums up why i think dragoon may be a mafioso.

"i sincerely believe dr.dragoon is mafia because of his reaction to shallow[bay]'s print screen. It does state in the very beginning that mafia members know other mafia members. why would dr.dragoon say shallow[bay] was a mafia member if he knew he was a mafia member himself?a rule we are all well aware of ( if we read the rules which im assuming you did) it's because dr.dragoon wanted to throw everyone into confusion! i think what dr.dragoon did is very cunning. he knew that it would be screen shotted. with this in mind he used a poor bait to throw us off. it wasn't that he was trying to bait shallow[bay] into admitting he was another mafia member ( because if shallow[bay] were he would know if dr.dragoon was a mafia member or not) it's because he wanted to use that poor attempt of a trap to really steer us away from believing he was a mafia member. now this is why i think shallow[bay] could be a mafia member. either dr.dragoon and shallow]bay] planned this, because for shallow[bay] to accuse dr.dragoon and post 'incriminating' evidence would mean that shallow[bay] has a shallow intelligence or because they both planned this out."


I agree with you utterly on this point. Either Dr.Dragoon or Shallow]bay] is lying. Given Dragoon's subsequent reactions however (post editing, accusations of others etc) i'm heavily leaning towards him being the lier.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:29 GMT
#490
On February 12 2008 12:27 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
This is so complicated, I think we should just lynch something random, like prime numbers. Oh wait..Oh shi

Typical behavior from one who knows he is a gonner. Oh shi... i'm going to be lynched. I know... suggest alternatives. Farewell my good sir.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:35 GMT
#496
On February 12 2008 12:30 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:19 Alethios wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all!

I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer.

Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to?

the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.

You mean affect.

Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him!

I suck at telling the difference on when to use which one.

What nervousness are you talking about? Are talking to me or Dragoon?

In general:
Affect - X affects Y
Effect - Reach's storms effectively have a wider area of effect than Jangbi's cheap effects.

I was talking about your nervousness, but only jokingly. Fare thee well.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:40 GMT
#500
On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop.

So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia?

WAT?

How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? Only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night.

Bring out your pitchforks and torches...
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:42 GMT
#502
On February 12 2008 12:40 Alethios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop.

So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia?

WAT?

How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? Only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night.

Bring out your pitchforks and torches...

Farking anti-edit. I NEED to edit! (look at my blog posts... always editing because i forget some small point, or screw something up).

How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? For those of us who are not minions of Diablo, the only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:48 GMT
#507
More edits Dragoon? Aren't we courageous today?

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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:52 GMT
#511
I'm interested to learn who the various mayoral candidates are planning on hanging from the neck until dead if elected.

Also, just regarding timings, I assume any lynchings that occur just before night?
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 03:59 GMT
#526
On February 12 2008 12:57 JeeJee wrote:
the only reason they'd exchange PMs this early in the game is for something either non-game related (as, you know, people DO use the PM feature), or they're both mafia. There's no reason for anyone non mafia to message someone in the game about the game because you have no idea whether they're mafia or not

sooo
it doesn't really matter

Even if they did exchange PMs, who is to say that Dragoon didn't PM shallow asking why he did that? Remember that pretty much everything Dragoon says must be treated with the utmost caution and preferably with a large dose of salt.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 04:03 GMT
#531
On February 12 2008 13:01 goldenkrnboi wrote:
so... uh....


aren't we still in the vote for mayor stage? or did that already happen? i'm too lazy to check ><


and my first impulse is to jump on the dragoon bandwagon, mainly cause of the way he's responding to the accusations.


Still voting for Mayor. We are in the midst of day 1. Nothing of consequence has happened aside from the various incriminations.

On February 12 2008 12:57 Zelniq wrote:
There's way too much spam and useless posts in this thread. The last page of this thread this morning was page 9, and it's already on 27. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't wanna go through that many posts in that short of a time. It's turning many of us off this game.. it'd be nice if there were some system in place that regulated posts or something.

Discussion is what we want. The more discussion that occurs, the more clues we can gather.

Imagine, as a counter example... no discussion was occurring. The mafia would have a free game because we wouldn't know anything about them.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 04:19 GMT
#538
On February 12 2008 13:15 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
[image loading]
You be the judge.

What an amazingly good call.

Didn't realise the mafia were ones to go around slaughtering horses.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 12 2008 04:27 GMT
#548
Wow... what a huge slip up from shallow.

Though i can suggest an alternative:
Shallow, after being berated for not saving in jpeg last time, subconsciously doesn't make the decision to manually save the file in .png

I'm undecided.

This thread delivers.
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