• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:24
CEST 10:24
KST 17:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)54Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Fantasy returning? Bot on ladder BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7539 users

2007 EVER OSL - Oct 12 - Ro16-2

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:40:19
October 13 2007 03:30 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Thanks to KizZBG for this amazing banner!

OSL Ro16 Week 2
12 October 2007


Results
+ Show Spoiler +
Sea.Up > Shudder @ Persona
Iris > JulyZerg @ Katrina
DarkElf < Jaedong @ Blue Storm
Nal_Rock < Flash @ Fantasy II

Despite my mediocre Liquibet performance, the second week of the OSL went pretty much as I expected. None of the games were overly interesting, but because of the context, they warrant discussion; it’s the OSL, after all.

I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of Up vs. Shudder. Up is known as a player who uses clever strategies and build orders to gain an early advantage against his opponent. In this case, however, it was Shudder who gained an early advantage due to his opening, only to have Up completely and utterly dominate him with some of the safest TvT play I’ve ever seen. I can’t even begin to imagine how demoralized Shudder feels. To have, of all people, Up say, “if this kid doesn’t beat me early, he won’t” must feel like a very literal kick to the gonads.

Iris vs. July was an uninspired game overall. Iris showed even sloppier micro than usual, but he made up for it with excellent macro and strong late-game management. July’s risky build has me wondering if Katrina’s 1-4 ZvT deficit is a sign of things to come. July’s play itself was actually pretty strong, but after losing his expansion at seven o’clock, he was fighting an uphill battle.

DarkElf vs. Jaedong was an awe-inspiring performance from Jaedong. And the problem is that, aside from his ill-advised attack on Jaedong’s sunken colonies, DarkElf didn’t play poorly. Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

After Rock vs. Flash, all I could do was shake my head. Despite all the pre-OSL hype for Rock (you people know who you are), he showed just shy of no game feel against Flash. Practically every decision Rock made was the wrong one. Cutting probes early to defend against a two-factory push? Won’t help if you get SCV rushed. Going proxy reaver before singularity charge when there’s a bunker at your natural expansion? A questionable gamble at best. Going carriers when you’re way behind economically and have just lost your reavers? I’ll leave that question rhetorical.

Each game this week had its own degree of “charm.” Iris vs. July was the closest game of the night. Rock vs. Flash was the funniest. Up vs. Shudder was the most ironic. And Jaedong vs. DarkElf was the most one-sided. If I had to recommend only one game, however, it would be Jaedong vs. DarkElf. Much like Bisu vs. GGPlay from last week, the game is an exquisite performance from a true master of the matchup.

Credit for these videos goes, as always, to someone other than me.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shudder vs. Up
Iris vs. July
DarkElf vs. Jaedong
Flash vs. Rock

Next week, things get serious. Having played one game each, every player is looking to either secure that vital second win or bring themselves back into contention. Will GGPlay suffer from the dreaded OSL curse, or will he manage to take down the inexperienced Shudder? Will July be able to stop his two-game ZvT losing skid with a win against Light? Having already faced Jaedong and now facing Stork, will DarkElf win a single game this OSL? Will Frozean rebound from his embarrassing defeat against Savior with a win over Flash? These questions, and more, answered below!

Predictions
+ Show Spoiler +
Short of an act of the divine, there’s no way that GGPlay will lose to Shudder on a macro-based map like Katrina. GGPlay has proven that he can beat the best of the best in the matchup, and while Shudder is undefeated in televised TvZ, he’s only faced Luxury and Terror[fou].

Zergs are currently 4-1 against Terrans on Blue Storm, and with Light’s macro-based TvZ build orders, he’s vulnerable against an aggressive Zerg like July. Light, however, is playing as well as he ever has. I’m looking forward to this one!

If Stork plays conservatively, he should have no difficulties with DarkElf. If he tries to expand as aggressively as he did in his fateful series against Iris, however, he could find himself in a very different situation. DarkElf and Iris are teammates, after all. And for the record, yes, DarkElf will win a game this OSL; he will beat Nada.

I’m expecting Flash to trounce Frozean. In every Starleague, there are those few people who “don’t belong.” Frozean is just such a person.
WiSaGaN
Profile Joined July 2006
203 Posts
October 13 2007 03:42 GMT
#2
Good one.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:21:13
October 13 2007 04:18 GMT
#3
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
October 13 2007 04:54 GMT
#4
Apparently it requires more than 2 carriers to auto-win vs Flash. Sucks for Rock that he had to learn this the hard way.
Administrator
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 13 2007 05:01 GMT
#5
Watching Rock play can be so incredibly depressing.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Q(-_-Q)
Profile Joined August 2007
United States348 Posts
October 13 2007 05:33 GMT
#6
On October 13 2007 13:18 zer0das wrote:
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/


totally there with you bud. i had rock pegged as going early carriers and smashing flash. too bad he can't stop a bunker rush and later a 2 fact. push. LAME
SC2 = Alpha = End Balance Speculations?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
October 13 2007 06:33 GMT
#7
Good recap.

Thanks







ps: me > you zvt
Moderator<:3-/-<
Clumsy_plz
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)22 Posts
October 13 2007 08:42 GMT
#8
Do not ignore Rock..

He is one of main player of WeMade with Nada
Desade
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany50 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 10:04:46
October 13 2007 09:57 GMT
#9
Imo this time analysis lacks a bit.

First of all an Iris vs July is one of the most interesting matches I can think of. Sadly it turned out very one-sided.
Iris played quite powerfull, he didn't let July come back in any way after taking his expo. Poor July put to much faith into his 3 lurks (2 of them morphing) and draw away his muts so Iris could take the expo with little an effort of marine micro. Same thing July did vs Mania where he moved his initial 4 lurkers unprotected towards the enemy's army though he had a nice package of mutas and zerglings.

And Rock. I consider Protoss fe a rather risky bo in the first place. Rock just fell to a perfect timed and microed bunker rush there. After the loss of probes and nexus he didn't stand much of a chance and in such a case players mostly try something sneaky.

Noenetheless thanks for great coverage.
I love 1 base bos
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 13 2007 14:10 GMT
#10
terran dominance
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
October 13 2007 15:18 GMT
#11
nice read
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 17:49:44
October 13 2007 17:48 GMT
#12
To me, Jaedong's ZvT strength is defined by the threat presence of his early lings and the most terrifying mutalisk use today. However, past this stage his gameplay begins to fall behind the likes of Savior, GGPlay, July, and even Yarnc.

His lurker lings is good, solid, etc... but is nowhere near the level of his mutalisk play (of course, the bar Jaedong sets with his flying birdpoopers is ridiculously high). Then comes the hive tech, which is "alright" on a good day and pretty sloppy on average. The vast majority of Jaedong's ZvT's end at the stage of the muta ling; either he kills them outright, or the damage is so severe that the opponent is essentially out of the game. Sometimes the game goes on for a decent length after this, but the advantage Jaedong gains through his Mutalisks makes or breaks his game. This factor is true for all Zerg users, but I feel that Jaedong depends on this advantage more than any other player.

So far we've rarely seen his muta ling fail him... but I think it was Hwasin who first started to deflect Savior's mutalisk harass in MSL (BlitzX comes to mind for me), and as people in this thread have been saying, a series against the likes of Iris and Hwasin will be the true barometer for Jaedong's effectiveness in the matchup.
wakpark
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States173 Posts
October 13 2007 18:00 GMT
#13
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.
The Black Keys / The White Stripes
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 13 2007 19:31 GMT
#14
On October 14 2007 03:00 wakpark27 wrote:
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.

How totally unexpected.

@Etter: Nice write-up, I always enjoy reading your stuff. :D
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 13 2007 19:42 GMT
#15
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 13 2007 21:17 GMT
#16
It's not so much Rock fans as the people who thought he deserved a spot on the power rankings, I suspect. Also probably a bit deserved. :x
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
October 13 2007 22:06 GMT
#17
die rock
DIE.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 13 2007 22:50 GMT
#18
On October 14 2007 04:42 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.


haha
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
October 13 2007 23:38 GMT
#19
Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

thats so true!
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
i.play.ZERG
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada276 Posts
October 14 2007 08:03 GMT
#20
I have so much respect for Jaedong right now.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 923
firebathero 763
actioN 449
Leta 112
Dewaltoss 102
Yoon 64
Killer 51
soO 46
Bale 24
Aegong 24
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 22
Sharp 19
Dota 2
Fuzer 103
League of Legends
JimRising 474
Counter-Strike
byalli478
shoxiejesuss456
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor932
Other Games
summit1g9551
singsing1004
olofmeister898
ceh9588
Mew2King91
ArmadaUGS60
trigger9
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream151
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2338
League of Legends
• Rush1196
• Stunt440
Upcoming Events
Stellar Fest
4h 36m
OSC
13h 36m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 1h
Online Event
1d 2h
FEL
1d 7h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 8h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 10h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
4 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
INu's Battles
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.