I'm going to sound dumb here, but wouldn't Setups 3 and 4 be town-sided? Town have 2 TPRs and the mafia have no PR roles to counter them.

Setup 2 also has too many Protective roles given the BP who cannot die/ be roleblocked, the Jailkeeper who can heal someone/ roleblock the mafia and the only role mafia has to counter them is the Roleblocker who can't roleblock the BP.

I haven't played in those setups before so if someone has evidence that said setups are balanced then I'll retract my concerns. This is just what stood out to me when reading the OP.

EDIT: Just realised that this is the Matrix6 setup from MS. My bad

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 00:57 GMT

#40

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

Jokes on you. You won't see a single tunnel from me this round.

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 14:25 GMT

#52

I suspect that mahrgell decided to read previous games in order to get a feel for the players he would be in the game with.

Sadly this probably means that I'm going to be deluged with shitty and inaccurate meta reads

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 14:44 GMT

#54

I'd like to think that I've learned a few things from CM/ the Newbie game regardless of which alignment I roll this round.

Only you are tryhard enough to read past games in the pre-game.

You overestimate me so.

[insert obligatory pre-game excuse about posting less and in a different fashion here]

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 15:42 GMT

#57

On November 01 2016 00:37 Shapelog wrote:

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On October 31 2016 22:01 mahrgell wrote:

On October 31 2016 21:33 Shapelog wrote:

On October 31 2016 18:50 Foreman wrote:

You clearly have an agenda.

FoS: NeverUnlucky

Actually, all he has done, is back himself in a corner with you if he is scum.

See number 4 states that he will have a good read on you, in the case that you tunnel. If no such read was to come, or a crappy one, then he would look less credible. Perhaps, you could argue that 6 could set up a possible scum read for him (if people keep scum reading him) but that is weak.

He also is forced in this to read the "One town with a weird entry" as town, due to wording. Which is bad for scum, as it knocks off a ML for day 1 at least.

In fact, the only way this benefits scum is if the person to make the weird entry is scum buddies, which is a high risk, low reward (a weak reason to TR at most) move IMO

The rest of it is unpredictable and useless, since it revolves on other players doing it.

Sorry, regaining my mafia mindset.

EDIT: He also would have to point out the case is weak too due to #8 and make reads accordly.

When NU wrote in #4 about "good read" all he meant was "start a 20 page shouting duel with Calix, with both calling each other names, so that all other players get dazed and just want to hide from the thread".
Which in the end always benefits scum. Having them in the same game seems to always benefit scum, no matter which roles they roll. #prayforrollingscum #scumOP
The problem with that meta is, that they both have to hold this up, as this is their typical townie meta. If they were not yelling at each other, this would strongly hint at them being scum.

Oh yeah I forgot who I was talking about.

It would have to depend then on how he does it, and it is overly obv. that he is faking it (the fight) with Calix then, or them not doing it as you said.

So much incentive to not do it this game

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:41 GMT

#61

This mahrgell person sounds fascinating. Why would you ever want to kill him first?

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:45 GMT

#63

You keep saying that you're going to downgrade me and kiss HF's arse instead of mine and all that, but I've yet to see you actually do that.

Trust me, you have my full and unwavering support with such endeavours.

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:51 GMT

#66

On November 01 2016 01:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:
When's the last time I've kissed your ass? BFN aka 3 months ago?

You ought to stop taking everything so seriously, seriously. That obviously was a trivial post.

You're missing the point.

But since you won't get it, I'd say that hyper-focusing on me in HM 3 was also an example since you scum-read me based on the stupidest shit and when I flipped town, immediately concluded that "Calix is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO META-READ GUISE"

Which isn't entirely wrong but the reasoning sucks.

I am curious as to how mahrgell concluded that we're opposites though. I hope he expands on that point.

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:52 GMT

#67

On November 01 2016 01:48 mahrgell wrote:
I think you are both scum.
First of all it is obvious you are trying to distance from each other, in an almost unnatural rough way.
Second you both consider me a noob, so NU wants to direct the lynch on an easy target. Meanwhile Calix wants to suck up on a noob for easy towncred to profit from it in a lylo situation. Both are typical scumplays in the early!

Now you both should be lynched... And for order, there is an easy tiebreaker.... NU writes my name wrong, so he has to go first.
##Vote NeverUnlucky

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I'm just practicing. This is like pregame warmup.

You sound like you come from MS. That's my theory anyway

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:55 GMT

#70

Nah, we have only known each other for a few months at most but both of us are stubborn and like arguing, so there's that.

Calix

3379 Posts

October 31 2016 16:57 GMT

#73

On November 01 2016 01:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I already very much like marghell.

Stating the obvious. Such scum.

At this rate, our filters will go onto two pages before we even get roles.

Calix

3379 Posts

November 01 2016 11:07 GMT

#88

Skynx for MVP.

I know absolutely nothing about the flavour but I can appreciate the effort and flair put in regardless.

##WatchWarmly

Calix

3379 Posts

November 01 2016 15:00 GMT

#101

On November 01 2016 23:43 cakepie wrote:
>> Post #4 << has been updated with a little side experiment I'd like to run during this game.
Please consider participating!

Ooh, this sounds cool.

If the game starts today then I probably won't be around until the late evening.

Break a leg, everyone

Calix

3379 Posts

November 02 2016 18:01 GMT

#124

First the worst

Calix

3379 Posts

November 02 2016 18:02 GMT

#128

Such an inspired entrance, OxO.

Calix

3379 Posts

November 02 2016 18:04 GMT

#130

NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.

Calix

3379 Posts

November 02 2016 18:08 GMT

#134

On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:

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