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few things I noticed so far 1) very unlikely that onegu/LS are both mafia together. They would have had to have planned out their beginning interaction with onegu claiming vt and LS snap attacking it and posting another game where he did it as scum. Seems unlikely considering LS reputation as lazy scum and the fact that onegu just disappeared from the thread after it. 2) gb's reactions to rsoul are extremely shady GB starts with an extremely soft defense and deflection away from rs + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. But following this you pretty much immediately vote her even tho you later defend her by saying you shouldn't vote for people with the longest filters day1 (why did you vote for her in the first place then?) While Gbs vote is still on her you say this + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. If you are unsure of her alignment why are you telling people to trust her tone read on you? A lot of this strikes me as TMI, as in you already know rsouls alignment. You were willing to go along with possibly lynching her when bugs was pushing hard and the sentiment was against her but once it started to turn you softly back paddled. And now you are only focusing on lynching into lurkers. Along with all of this GB has like 20 town reads already but does he have any scum reads on people who aren't lurkers? So a couple questions GB, definitively do you think rsoul is more likely town or mafia? Also, who out of the active people do you think is the most likely to be mafia? I assume you dont believe the entire mafia team are within the lurkers. Rsoul I would also like to hear whether you think your tone read holds up on Gb and whether you think he is still town simply because he is disorganized. | ||
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Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read? | ||
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Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell  The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:23 GlowingBear wrote: Her play as both alignments is very similar. But when she is town she is a threat to scum, usually, which means she won't survive until LYLO. When I said to "trust" her reads, I mean her reasoning, not that it was coming from either alignments. I chat a lot with her and she usually gives this tone reads while observing games and she was correct every time she did that. So, I meant that you can trust her reads are GENUINE, not FABRICATED. It doesn't defines her alignment. In other words, I prefer to treat her as town rather than mafia because she gave these reads and they look correct to me (I also feel Damdred is town and I'm town). I don't see mafia rsoultin calling both me and damdred town without actively trying to buddy us (she is definetly not trying to buddy me). Out of the active people, I'm flipping my reads a lot. I have problems with bugs and I'm starting to have problems with Holyflare, and somewhat reevaluating the townread I gave Breshke. If I had to choose ONE, I think I'd stick to bugs, I think. This is actually the first time I don't have a firm scumread at this point. The problem is that I'd rather lynch a question mark than an active mafia day1. I'm not carrying information-less people to later days. 55 pages in and no scum reads :/ | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything. Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me. Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: can you please comment on ksc, shocckey and...eh lol might as well with hf as well Only issue I have with ksc is the weird unvote and vote for bill murray. Accomplished nothing and he had already called LS and shockey both mafia. Why back off. Otherwise his posts all make sense to me. The fake anger thing by bugs seems like complete conjecture. Shocckey could easily be mafia, anytime someone is making excuses for their reads and throwing out reasons why they can't be around it is a red flag. Especially when he did it when under almost no pressure. HF I don't really know, I only remember from playing with him 1.5 years ago that he used to make like 50000 meta cases where he would post 20 games from people's filters. I certainly dont think he has been playing exceptionally pro town so far but his points breaking apart boxer's case were good and logical. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this. | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 Fidei86 wrote: I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter. Fidei instead of discussing why this is so hard for you discuss who you think the scum are. | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. In one of shockeys posts he said this, @KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated. Did you miss this? If not what is your point? Not sure what is special about not following up with someone who he thinks is town. What do you think about fedeis return? Why do you still read GB as town? | ||
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Do you actually believe any of my posts are coming from a mafia mindset Gb? Or are you just trying to paint me poorly since I actually questioned your posts. | ||
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Ritoky - Guess what I dont know everyones alignment, if someone says something that looks townie to me I will say it. I didnt say that post made LS town but it made me reconsider the possibility of it. Explain to me how exactly this makes me mafia. GB- are you voting BF because you think there is a good chance he flips scum or just to save yourself? If the caps lock stuck isnt AI can you post an example of you doing it as town? I cant look through past games atm. | ||
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I am most likely voting GB, but I would like to hear him answer my questions first. | ||
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