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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
May 28 2015 01:48 GMT
#12
/in
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 06 2015 01:48 GMT
#85
/confirm
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:08 GMT
#110
Hi
Vote me
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:15 GMT
#116
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:18 GMT
#118
On June 08 2015 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho


who are you


Blazinghand's archenemy
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:21 GMT
#121
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:36 GMT
#136
On June 08 2015 08:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:18 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho


who are you


Blazinghand's archenemy



##vote FreezingFoot

I say we kill this foot unless he convinces us of his identity and why we should keep him alive. I for one do not want to be led by two left feet

quotes about feet:

The human foot is a masterpiece of engineering and a work of art.
-Leonardo da Vinci (load of shit)

The foot feels the foot when it feels the ground.
-Buddha (wat)

When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands.
=George Carlin (I would rather my life not be in the hands of this foot....or should it be...wait feet don't have hands)



Why do you hard align with hands?

Here is a quote about hands

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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:48 GMT
#142
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:00 GMT
#152
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:14 GMT
#164
My defense is admittedly lackluster.

Go on.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:20 GMT
#170
On June 08 2015 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:14 Kickstart wrote:
Bugs is also quick to say that he is about to ignore me and that FreezingFoot is not worth listening to. Interesting.

On June 08 2015 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:05 Kickstart wrote:
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.


You consider someone taking a mislynch over revealing their identity to be town-favored?

Are you serious?


I did not say or imply that. But again you are painting foot into a corner of no matter what he does he is scum. You are saying/implying that if he ever votes on someone who gets lynched and flips town without revealing who he is first he is anti-town. This is again ludicrous.

But I've said enough on this topic, time for others to weigh in.


No, I'm not saying he's scum no matter what.

Given his responses I have no qualms calling him scum, which is in stark contrast to the fact that he thinks I am scum yet doesn't do jack about it.

You also did not even read what I said. I said he is anti town if HE IS ABOUT TO GET LYNCHED AND DOESN'T REVEAL HIS IDENTITY not if he votes someone. You need to slow down and read my posts more carefully before you start jumping to conclusions.


I'd like you to go further in this. Why it is a scum behaviour NOT revealing his identity to SURVIVE?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:34 GMT
#175
I understood it correctly and I'm asking you to answer the exact question you are making.

Why is it scummy to not reveal the identity?

Sorry, don't say someone can't read when the problem is that you can't express yourself properly.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:53 GMT
#184
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:55 GMT
#185
Think this way: if I decided to smurf, I have my own reasons, and if you expect me to reveal my identity when I decided in pre game I didn't want to, you're weird.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 01:21 GMT
#195
On June 08 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




Did you not see this post freezingfoot?


I saw it
What about it?

See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post:

Who is scum? FreezingFoot
Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted.
Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence)
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:19 GMT
#213
On June 08 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 10:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
[quote]

refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




Did you not see this post freezingfoot?


I saw it
What about it?

See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post:

Who is scum? FreezingFoot
Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted.
Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence)


That isn't the only reason he is calling you scum though that's why im pointing out that post.


Oh I get it. I just want him to clarify this point before I do something else
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:34 GMT
#218
Lol dude you can't be town.

I didn't engage your arguments directly or instantly called you scum to see until when you would still push this matter.

My first strike was "I've never had a scumread this quick in a mafia game", but since your reasons were too stupid, I thought you could be town trying to get discussion getting traction. So if I completely shut down your arguments I would break discussion development.

The thing is: if you're town doing that, you'll drop those arguments quickly because they aren't made to hold water. So I decided I would give you space so I could analyse you better.

You're still pushing a dumb matter, which makes me sure you're mafia trying to get behind a ridiculous policy lynch.
You're mafia.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:36 GMT
#222
Oh, votes are made in this thread?

##Vote: wherebugsgo
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:22 GMT
#228
On June 08 2015 12:46 Breshke wrote:
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On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot

Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo.


I liked this post.

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On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.



I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is.


No.

I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret.

I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour.

His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage.

In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait.

Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:33 GMT
#231
On June 08 2015 13:30 Breshke wrote:
Kickstart do you think at this moment foot seems town? He posts this.

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On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.


Yet he completely ignored WBG case which had nothing to do with him being a smurf. I don't see this as him trying to understand the thought process of the case against him. He just keeps focusing on the smurf thing.

I agreed with you to begin with that WBG reasoning was wrong if you look at my ealier posts but then I was just like fuck it who cares nothing else is happening lets pressure this guy. Foot proceeds to do basically nothing and ignores what people say other than the smurf thing.

Neither is it a lose lose situation for him. There is still more than 3/4 of the day left foot has plenty of time to be townie if he is town.

I also don't get why you seem to think that the only thing against foot is that he is a smurf when that isn't the case.


What's the case then, Breshke? That I wasn't voting bugs?
Who's on your town pile right now? All the voters?

Tell me how this is alignment indicative
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