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I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people
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On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear?
m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread
Reading the rest of the thread now
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On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else?
Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days
Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game
On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment?
anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm
Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do
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On June 03 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:32 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment? anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you?
Just him siding with kickstarter. his posts don't reveal much at all so far. however, I think due to the low content and neutrality of his posts that he may be playing the lurker role which tends to be one that scum takes
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After reading his past town game I am less sure of my read because he didn't post much then either
However I still don't like KS. He seems to be posting too bossily and with too much authority for a normal day 1 poster
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On June 03 2015 08:39 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:35 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:32 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment? anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you? Just him siding with kickstarter. his posts don't reveal much at all so far. however, I think due to the low content and neutrality of his posts that he may be playing the lurker role which tends to be one that scum takes So it is purely associative? Do you think him going back and looking through my database of games is alignment indicative?
Yes, it was a post made in support of another player and if I am reading the post in the context of the thread correctly, it had nothing to spurn it (another players' accusations, etc.)
No, I don't think going through the DB is alignment indicative at all. I do think that in most cases reading the DB can be helpful if there are vast differences in play style depending on alignment but people change as they play too, it's silly to get overly caught up in meta
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On June 03 2015 08:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Chocolate
Yeah I don't expect anyone to be on all the time. My point has very little to do with your lack of activity and everything to do with the way you framed your absence. But whatever, it's a minor thing and something I'm willing to overlook for the time being.
You say you're caught up now, but that your only actual suspicion is Kickstart from what I can see - and it's for posting with too much authority? And scott, for agreeing with Kickstart? Is this accurate?
More than just that. I think he's trying to guide the discussion in a direction he wants to a high degree. He has also been quick to move around which makes sense but I generally don't really like a ton
Those aren't my only suspicions, they're just ones I was comfortable posting for the time being
I'd like to know your thoughts on other people too though
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On June 03 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:
And where are you at again in reads ks?
I also would like to know this
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I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town
@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo
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I'd appreciate some reads from Onegu as well.
##vote VisceraEyes
Curious what others think about him tunneling me and milo
As for milo's "scum slip" if you read the thread it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away. I don't understand VE's logic here at all. For a veteran player you're playing pretty dumb imo
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On June 03 2015 10:46 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote:
I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town
@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo After addressing everyone getting a tryhard/bossy vibe from me, do you still find me suspicious? Does my defense that this is normal from me change your opinion at all? I agree with the town reads part, that is why I don't like to give them this early but since I was asked for opinions on more than just milo i did give a few. Do you still find scott and myself to be most suspicious or has that changed?
Yes it changes it a lot, I don't find you any more suspicious than most others at this point. I figure maybe wanting to direct things is a personality trait or something
I'm still suspicious of scott though, because he apparently read about half of what we've posted today and yet only came up with a very "safe" (in the sense that it makes sense to call the most active player town) read
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On June 03 2015 10:56 Kickstart wrote:
Also I don't want to speak for VE, but milo saying you afk was weird. At the time I didnt point it out because he did but since then I did say a bit about it. For one we can't be sure you are afk because you said you were going to go through stuff (but then went to eat dinner, which is fine, you just stated you were doing otherwise as the reason for your inactivity at the time). What I found most odd was the "he cant defend himself", because to me that makes no sense at all, even if you were afk, its forum mafia, you just come back and read it and respond :/.
But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE!
"it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away"
it doesn't make sense to me either. But to be fair I think he was giving me too much shit for posting and going away for a bit and that being scummy.
I think he is scum because:
He hasn't changed positions on anyone
His only interactions of substance have been with me and milo
I think he is taking a misinterpretation of what someone else said too far as a "scum-slip"
His posts have a dismissive tone
Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you.
On June 03 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:52 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'm done for tonight. VE.... I hope you actually use logic instead of illusionary slips if you're town. But I don't think you are. You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours?
In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave.
Which really bothers me
I see no reason to tunnel someone so hard out of the blue
I don't think he's scum because:
He's posting a lot
While I get a scum feeling from dogging someone so early, it's something that would at the same time be dumb to do as a mafia player
milo's post does look like a slip
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I'm not bothered that someone thought I was scum per se, it's moreso the persistence
Regardless I'd like to see more reads from VE because ultimately that will determine how I feel about him
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I think it's scummy. What good is it to say "X player seems town"? There's no risk at all in that situation. Overeager lynching is bad for town but playing it safe is even worse. For town to win action must be taken on imperfect information
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Scott
VE
Onegu
GG
I would pick Scott as my #1
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General inactivity
His only contribution of note was to call a very active player town which seems way too conservative
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As long as he makes 10 posts per cycle and votes he won't be modkilled
That's not very difficult to do
Even so, I would consider doing the bare minimum to be suspiciously inactive
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