17. Sui / Following

above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER

The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.

THE JUDGMENT

FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.

In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.

THE IMAGE

Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.

In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.

THE LINES

°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.

There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.

°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.

Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.

°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.

This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family.

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 02:16 GMT

#187

On May 10 2015 11:11 Bill Murray wrote:
Hey guys. This is going to be tremendous fun. With a group of players this good, I know that I will be improving my play. I don't care to give some general questions for everyone as well.

1) How do you rate yourself in terms of your play?

2) How do you rate others in terms of their play?

3) What would you change about your play?

This question format is no good. You should always go with a 1-5 scale with 1 being "Strongly Disagree" and 5 being "Strongly Agree." Statistical analysis is much easier when you use a scale.

Try this:

1) I rate myself highly in terms of my play
1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree

2) I rate others in this game highly in terms of their play.
1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree

3) There are things I would change about my play.
1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 02:21 GMT

#189

On May 10 2015 11:16 batsnacks wrote:

Show nested quote +

Like how are you supposed to know that e.g. LightningStrike's opinion of his play is a full standard deviation higher that batsnack's opinion of his play unless you use a scale.

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 02:31 GMT

#196

Trfel you gotta use some line breaks that's ugly.

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 02:38 GMT

#200

Oats is probably a 3rd party day mason with a 1 shot cop check based on his first post.

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 05:08 GMT

#215

I don't know what is going on.

batsnacks

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May 10 2015 15:24 GMT

#255

K well damdred is town because mafia shouldn't risk over 10 posts d0. Which means anyone who goes/went over 10 posts today should 100% be modkilled because that's unfair for mafia.

batsnacks

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May 11 2015 14:40 GMT

#521

I wish I had some nukes. My abilities are pleb tier.

batsnacks

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May 11 2015 18:11 GMT

#634

Trfel, bm and BH are probably all town because why would mafia do any of that? amirite?

batsnacks

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May 11 2015 21:16 GMT

#741

On May 12 2015 06:15 Inspector Javert wrote:

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I'm good with this list. Would add Oats to it.

This is me sorry smurf post. I swear I am never smurfing again once a certain game is over.

batsnacks

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May 12 2015 13:06 GMT

#1041

HTS did you read my filter y/n?

batsnacks

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May 12 2015 13:12 GMT

#1044

I'm not worried about being the lynch. I'm worried about you having read my filter and still wanting to lynch me. You read my filter and still want to lynch me right?

batsnacks

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May 12 2015 13:21 GMT

#1051

##vote Sandroba

I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.

batsnacks

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May 13 2015 15:37 GMT

#1579

## give rsoultin, palmar, oats, and sandroba all the posts they want

batsnacks

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May 13 2015 15:55 GMT

#1580

## give jat and HTS posts too if they want them

batsnacks

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