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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 16 2015 21:27 GMT
#9
/in im newb i swear
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 18 2015 14:16 GMT
#47
2 more
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 15:58 GMT
#200
im not reading that post trfel although i bet it is VERY TELLING
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:02 GMT
#201
On April 19 2015 14:48 The Shining wrote:
I guess by page 7 I should've expected you guys to be a bit more serious. My bad.

Trfel, any time I've played with you as town, you're able to have a light joking presence. Take, for instance, scumming the slot you replaced in right from the start in our last game. I'm surprised you of all people didn't see the lightness in my post. It's a light toneread but I don't see your normal towniness. Won't necessarily scum you right away though since you mentioned the thread was slow. You're at least trying to push conversation, which town needs right now.

The validity of your read on Bourne? Like I said, he's a newbie that just got mislynched to lose a game for town. His posts aren't indicative to me, as I could easily see them coming from the perspective of a newbtown whos main thought right now is to avoid being put in that position again.


it's more like page 4 on page 7 in a sense
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:08 GMT
#203
##Vote: trfel
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:09 GMT
#204
On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.

How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.


it's null for me at least
i can give you my reasoning though... the game started last night and i was asleep the entire time other than waking up in the middle of the night playing neverwinter with my friend for a few hours before going back to bed. try to read something out of that LOL

i mean im not even giving my reasoning for my vote because if you want to really learn you need to look at why im voting for trfel in the first place and ill give you a hint it's not his large post. it's not just a tone read either.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:17 GMT
#206
i dont give reasoning to scum why would that help the town? you would only be able to adapt better.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:28 GMT
#209
my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game
a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting
b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here
2) he ends the RQS early
a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information)
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck)
3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses
a. he said he had to go before
b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again

TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:30 GMT
#210
spotlighting=scumandeering
his last post admittedly has me a little unsure of my vote because his "i am town" kind of rings true to me in tonality
you can say i slip here but when i flip itll be the same as last game
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:30 GMT
#212
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:31 GMT
#213
On April 20 2015 00:58 Bill Murray wrote:
im not reading that post trfel although i bet it is VERY TELLING

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2015 16:32 GMT
#214
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 01:01 GMT
#293
TSM
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 01:02 GMT
#294
i thought this was cop/doc

i didnt know there was potentially a roleblocker
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 01:04 GMT
#295
##unvote
##vote: onegu
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 01:40 GMT
#299
it's just a forced towntell
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 02:10 GMT
#301
crossvoting someone who is pushing my lynch
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 02:11 GMT
#302
Anyways I would do in depth analysis but theres really nothing to go on whatsoever. This game has been horribly slow. + Show Spoiler +
I also don't want to spotlight, as per Ace's school of town
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:21 GMT
#342
On April 20 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Well, I need to go to bed. I'm sleepy.

But I really want everyone to read my above post, or at least my two scumreads. I'll quote them again here, so you have no excuse for being too lazy to scroll up two posts.

Thoughts or comments are much appreciated. If you don't like either of these lynches, who do you want to lynch instead?
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
Bourneq + Show Spoiler +
So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game.
On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough.

I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.
On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am.
Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum.

Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read).
On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR
Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all).

I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts?

I was laughing really bad reading this.
I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed.

On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans.
This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him.

On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
[referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me.
On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town.
On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard.
On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe.
What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game?

It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me.

Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq.

Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +
This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup.
On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote:
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop.
I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad.

Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird.

But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me.
On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote:
my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game
a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting
b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here
2) he ends the RQS early
a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information)
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck)
3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses
a. he said he had to go before
b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again

TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting.
This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better.

I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray.


random questionnaire stage which replaces RVS in some early games and really throws my play off

it's not that i don't think you are scum, it's just that you flattered me earlier

On April 20 2015 14:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
##vote cakepie

No reason not to do this now. If he's not going to post, then there's no reason not to take care of this guy.

Also, now is about the time we need to start consolidating on targets and such. Normally I would wait longer to tell people this, but the game is incredibly low activity and there's no reason to keep our votes out of play like this.

come on, man, a policy lynch? it would be easy as pie to get cake replaced.

On April 20 2015 14:59 cakepie wrote:
Oh yeah, fantastic, get pvoted while drafting. =/

I'm here, talk to me. Better things to do than policy lynch with plenty of time remaining. And even if you're determined to go LAL, isn't there someone else who is even less active?


im quoting your smallpost because coincidentally upon reading 2 posts before it i didnt want to vote you

next in the post right above this one you said "bm called it scumandeering" actually no i find that post null because i feel he wrote it before the game started which just shows hes a player that tries too hard and is really just someone who will derail the town regardless of alignment who wants the spotlight it's not necessarily scumandeering where it is probably null. I don't believe he worked an hour before and an hour after.

secondly the scumandeering he was doing is more through 1) being the first poster 2) rushing onto the stage 3) using that big post when he did as opposed to breaking discussion a. he could have used it in his first post, the first post of the game (town) b. the timing of it lends credence to his scum as opposed to the actual post itself... it's more of a slip than scumandeering 3) his scumandeering comes most from him trying to throw his weight around on the town's opinion of who is scum. he is trying to lump me and bourne in together because he mistakenly thinks i'm a weak player when I am Vanilla Town. Jokes on him, I'm not.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:22 GMT
#343
##unvote
##vote bourne


I feel like this clears up a lot about my "supposed partner" being bourne
I could easily see Trfel FoSing bourne and trying to get a lynch on me with him and bourne coasting with the disassociation
If bourne flips scum I'm pushing Trfel the rest of every single post I make this game
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