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Spirits gain points per X hours. Those points can be spent buying roles for their faction. They also have a few other powers to influence the game, but they cannot interact directly. Upon reading the thread, this was the first thing that I noticed. Typically town will benefit from roles more than mafia. I have no evidence that it would benefit us to maximize the length of day one, but if I had to guess I would probably say that the more points the spirit gains before the night cycle the better. The challenge would be how do we get this to happen? I'd be in favor of some sort of policy where we all agree not to shoot until an hour before the actual deadline, but for this to work everyone would need to be on board and willing to go after anyone who breaks the policy. Being realistic, there is always going to be one townie who decides to yolo the shot immediately, but I'll put the idea out there anyways. Despite this, I am also playing with the idea of taking the selfish role and insta-shooting like sandroba suggests just to have the control if I feel somewhat confident. I like Tube's suggestion about the shot vote count, though that doesn't say much about tube the player. The biggest problem with this format is that if town makes it clear that player X is getting shot, player X simply shoots first, but that's not a problem if we just follow it for the first 22 hours. To get the rest of the policy out of the way, I'll be guarding the button unless I have a reason to choose one of the other options. From a setup perspective, I'd put the button in the "manipulative" category where a certain player or faction has to convince others to blindly perform an action, which tends to get ugly. Ninja's should be shooting early and often. From my experience, a ninja very rarely locates another ninja through analysis. It's mostly winning by staying alive longer. By shooting early, you maximize your chance to eliminate the other ninja's vest an open them up to a night kill. Furthermore, if you happen to hit a player with your first shot and they live, odds are you've probably won right there. Dying with two shots in hand is pretty worthless. The reason I'm saying this is that shooting early also benefits town because the mafia kp can be reduced by reducing their numbers and flipping the first mafia always snowballs the game. Ninja isn't an anti-town 3p like serial killer so we can both benefit in setups like these by working together. Epiphany had the weak intro post feeling obligated to explain why he wasn't posting. He mentions that he is a newbie several times, even before the Mocsta post, yet then starts talking about geript saying that: "Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively." I could be wrong, but this would imply that he probably isn't a newbie. I don't have a problem with smurfs, but the likely deception seems scummy. Also, he needs to be less angry  On March 03 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: batsnacks why did you want to wish good luck to mafia? This one I found a bit odd. It's fine to joke with him about being shot, but then following up with another question as if he is actually trying to trap him here either means he is attempting to look like he is scum hunting or is feeling really, really optimistic. On March 03 2015 15:35 IAmRobik wrote: lol @ the nuked stuff. I thought he was suicide bomber or something like that trying to detonate. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Heh so you thought a host was able to modify the appearance of the TeamLiquid forums for his mafia game? Right.... Koshi's idea to policy a day one shot is decent in theory to deter a poor shot, but it probably won't go anywhere. Toads suggestion that he doesn't want to be too townish is pretty silly. You can't justify that with a straight face. Damdred seems scummy enough to warrant keeping an eye on. Can't point to anything in specific though. I didn't really see Obi as the clear suspect upon my first read through like Sepulchre suggests. Sepulchre comes off as a reasonable individual though. Hopefully I'll have a better idea for a few shot targets before the 24 hour mark. | ||
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On March 04 2015 00:51 AT.Epiphany wrote: I mentioned newbie because this particular bit was brought up by Geript in a highly insulting manner. Seriously read the stuff geript wrote, it's probably more angry than me, and what's more entirely unprovoked personal attacks from him. That's why I was angry for a while, which I no longer am. Were you familiar with geript's mafia play prior to the game starting or is that something that you took the time to research once it began? If it is the latter, was there something that geript posted that triggered you to do some research or was he someone you just picked out and happened to find evidence when reading his past games that led you to your conclusion? | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:06 Half the Sky wrote: This is quite interesting. We either have a scum player not happy at his alignment or a townie that is just bored of being town... On March 03 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote: YM, it's called a tone read. And I've played with Fecalfeast before. I also find it amusing you say my posting was forced considering I posted on impulse, and it was the first thing that came to my mind. I know this is kinda backtracking since I wasn't around at the start, but if he is mafia, then the post would be a calculated move to convince others that he wouldn't be mafia. Suggesting that you're tone reading the fact that he is showing frustration, when one of the two possibilities would indicate that he isn't obligated to tell the truth about his emotions to begin which is illogical. I don't really see how your knowledge of Fecal is really relevant. On March 04 2015 01:02 Half the Sky wrote: Kita and LS, since you're both here, let's talk about Damdred. I'm TRing SL and he found something off with Damdred as well. I had a hunch on him earlier since he commented on my opening WAY after others expressed reservation but my latest concern is his read on you, LS. It reeks too much of the way he tried pushing you in Titanic, and he was scum that game. He should know how tentative you sound which is probably why I'm leaning scum on him. Thoughts? Like I said before, nothing really specific aside from a couple "things scum say" statements. "fuck the device we are scum hunting to figure out a shot." "I will yolo shoot you so please actually contribute now" "This is extremely frustrating" "I'm sleeping now have lots of good content" I don't put much merit into your connection to titanic. It seems like he plays with the idea that LS might be a good shot target, LS's posts disappear so there isn't an opportunity to make much further of an argument and he leaves the thread. I would need more info here to draw a conclusion like that. | ||
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On March 04 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: His case on HtS. Same thing here as above. HtS was asked to give a read on someone. She did, yet your mom somehow turns this into "you fabricated a read because you needed to give one". It is at least as likely that HtS gave the read as town because SHE WAS ASKED TO!! She answered a question "what do you think my alignment is". Why is it impossible this is the case here? That -- for a vet player -- should be at worst a null-tell. Now those are his only scumreads in this game. Both are fake. So very fucking fake and badly reasoned. I kinda had similar suspicious as your mom here finding HtS's initial couple of posts on fecal to be irrelevant and then the town conclusion seemingly coming out of the blue so that may not be "fake" considering I came to the same conclusion independently before even reading your mom's filter. The part about him that doesn't immediately make me view him as town for seeing the same things is this statement: "rayn basically just called her mafia without a given reason and then proceeded to do so with a lot of other people including me, diluting his committment to a mafia hts and giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular." It seems like he is jumping to a conclusion too quick here, stating it as a matter of fact. I interpret it mostly as rayn talking about other stuff, rather than him "giving himself other options." Still haven't read much of koshi since he seems a bit emo this game so I'm not sure if the second part of your argument has merit, but I'll like a look when I have a chance. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:40 sandroba wrote: @Shootout I'm gonna be shooting someone as soon as 24h flips because someone is going to do it either way no matter how much we argue about it and I trust me more Just for the record, people who are planning on doing this better justify their shots ahead of time. The only reason not to do this is the possibility that your target is a ninja, which means the shot would miss anyways. Justifying the read as the shooter doesn't really make a difference before or after the fact, but others not having the opportunity to say whether they support or are against the shot until after the flip makes their opinions meaningless. | ||
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On March 04 2015 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: ...as the fact is your mom should consider, in case he is town, Koshi town 100%, yet he apparently isn't because he is for some reason afraid to say that. That doesn't make any sense from town perspective. I've read your explanation about why koshi should be 100% town to your mom a couple times, but I don't fully understand why you're saying he should be so confident about this. mafia hts + mafia koshi implying mafia isn't doing anything doesn't seem like enough to make koshi confirmed town from his perspective. I suppose you can make the pre-flip association analysis for why mafia rayn and mafia koshi doesn't make sense from his perspective, but him not mentioning koshi in less than a page filter in a game with 25 of players doesn't seem completely out of the question like you suggest. Is there more that I'm missing that makes you go from your mom being suspicious to your mom being 100% scum? | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:02 rsoultin wrote: Soooo...maybe not the best thing to bring up, but how do we even know the identity of the shooter will be revealed? lol >< Uhh first person to ##shoot after the deadline?  | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: On the bolded part (and also to the next paragraph). People will always make pre-flip associations. They are not a good way to use in a case against why someone is mafia, but people ALWAYS do them. Because you cannot avoid it. And it is out of the question because your mom thinks both of me and HtS are mafia. If BOTH of us are mafia there is literally no way Koshi is mafia, just for the fact that.. In fact let me put it this way kitaman. If you scumread me and HtS both. Do you think there is a chance mafia!rayn is not pushing a lynch on a townie in this situation? yeah I see what you're saying there I guess. The bigger issue for me is whether the lack of comment on koshi is him maliciously allowing a townie to be attacked without coming to his defense or if he simply just hasn't put much thought into koshi. More often than not, scum players will typically defend players that they see as 100% town because they're trying to emulate their town play. I'd say I one out of three main points you make is a strong argument, so I'm not at the same level of suspicion that you seem to be at this point. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:37 Half the Sky wrote: Kita - Inclined to scumread him atm. From Carol, I do recall him being a low-count high content poster, his first few posts are on mechanics and his opinion on your mom doesn't say anything new of substance that others had not touched on already. Really? How do you justify this argument if I'm the first person discussing rayn's argument? I suggested that your mom's HTS read may not be fake if I came to the same conclusion separately and I questioned the validity of the ignored koshi argument several times. How can you suggest that I'm just repeating what others are saying about your mom if I responded to rayn's post right after he made it? On March 04 2015 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like the fact he decided to leave the argument between me and him "undecided". He doesn't really do that as town. In case it wasn't clear, I'm not in favor of a your mom shot. As I said before, the hts argument doesn't seem fake if I'm thinking the same thing and ignoring koshi arguments isn't convincing. Still looking for a preferred shot though. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:37 geript wrote: Ok so basically it boils down to 1 simple thing. Syllogism is in this game. There's literally no one in the world that has ever or will ever read Sandroba as well as Syllogism. So if we leave Sandro alive N1 and he doesn't receive a power, then we auto lynch him. If he does receive a power, we evaluate both his use of it and what power was given. Like it's complete win/win. More often than not a lazy/afk sandroba equals a mafia sandroba. We obviously can't rely on mechanics we aren't aware of, but leaving him around a day or two and seeing if he follows this metric usually does the trick. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:04 Half the Sky wrote: Alright so if I understand you right, he has god tier reads, but how do you differentiate between that and a scummer having perfect information or a scummer sheeping reads? I mean if you have a god tier read on him fine, but for someone like me who doesn't know him very well, what should I be looking for? lol three of his five reads at that point were on himself, a spirit, myself who had only said "hi", plus two town reads. Is a scummer having "perfect information" even relevant to think about here? | ||
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On March 03 2015 15:58 sicklucker wrote: Koshi once said hes not trying day one so he doesint get nked. BUT EVEN THEN HE TRIED REALLY HARD. Ive never been so sure someones mafia on day ever. EVER like hes mafia if we dont shoot him ima be mad. Like koshi always trys except for when he roles mafia I think hes the easiest read in the game Can someone verify this statement? I would but the database post always times out when I'm at work through the proxy and I'm a bit lazy to search manually. For someone who is familiar with his play, is koshi more likely to quit the thread as mafia when he is on the receiving end of pressure? | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:29 Kurumi wrote: Hi Tubesock! Yes of course! Why'd you ask such a question if Alakaslam was unmentioned or mentioned as a baddie? It's self-evident that Alakaslam has become an interesting person in my inquiries about the nature of the T.E.A.M. . I believe he'd a be a great support in finding out the means by which T.E.A.M. recruits its members! All documented as said - remember that documentation creates reality! Casper is too peaceful for the W.R.A.I.T.H. Foolishness is! You are really missing a lot of information by not reading the initial documentation given you at the very start of your job in Corporation! Everything's in "Corporation & You: Guide to Living Well in Corporation" - make sure to re-read it, Tubesock! You know that we have an union here, at Corporation! Your rights are guarded by the very best, I love my union employees! Lucy and John are my favourite lunch partners. Have I talked about John? John is the IT guy who locked himself in a server room over the weekend once. He survived thanks to hunting bugs and drinking carrot juice from the vending machine set-up in the server room! Brave man! So what's the deal with the Kita guy? I hear he is an incredibly reliable townie. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Kita how do you not know how Koshi plays as town against how he plays scum? Don't recall a mafia koshi game that I participated in off the top of my head aside from game of thrones, which was too long ago to be memorable. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Sure I guess, but how can you not see the differences between Carol and now? =/ To apply the meta correctly, his behavior this game would need to reflect his mafia behavior. Him playing differently than a previous town game doesn't suggest that he is mafia, which is why I asked. Since you seem to be familiar, is there a mafia game or two I should be looking at to draw comparisons? Also, based on your post you seem to suggest that you think koshi is mafia. You mentioned earlier that you were unhappy about his inactivity, but haven't mentioned him since. Is he your preferred shot target? | ||
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