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Town Leans: Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town. VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there. Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him. Would lynch today: Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts. SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play. I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:45 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [damdred] + On December 17 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote: I actually have a few good town reads right now my top town is a surprise. Town Leans: Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town. VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there. Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him. Would lynch today: Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts. SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play. I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried. @damdred Can you explain what you've seen from VE that makes you think he is town? His only reads so far seem to be slight town on marv and mafia on Palmar which you seem to strongly disagree with. Also, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence of that quote where something is worrying you? I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing. LS has a ton of people hard defending him based on meta right out of the gate, and that concerns me honestly. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:47 sicklucker wrote: I always start out day 1 slow if im not tunneling on some mechanic. The threads been dominated by players ive never played with and ls whos been covered to death so I dont feel I have much to add yet. Lets be real Im not a policy lynch ,im hyper active sometimes right sometimes wrong, never afraid to speak my mind(thats how you read me) But I always try Shouldn't matter tell me what you think of someone like JAT or show me wha tyou think of Breshke | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:57 sciberbia wrote: Concerns you because you think LS is scum or you think the people defending him are scum? or both? For the record, I can only recall myself and Bereshke defending him. And I guess marv said the case was "icky" I am not sold either way. Someone shouldn't be judged obviously based solely on meta reasons. For example hen he was scum in student mafia it looked really really close to his town game and it was only a couple things that gave him away. So meta wise he is easy to copy. | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:29 sicklucker wrote: Why are you scum reading me for doing a town thing Giving out town reads for no known reason reeks of tmi and is not a town thing | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:34 Breshke wrote: It was early i was fine with him not caring because there wasn't much to go off. Then i specifically asked him to give reads and he basically refused to. If he refuses to give reads I will assume he has zero. Yes he might play like this often but right now i think it is likely he is mafia because as town he has no reason to withhold reads. Town needs to find and kill mafia to win whereas mafia can just survive. Do you think he is town scrib? Does mafia have a reason not to fake reads or to give legitimate town reads instead of being difficult? | ||
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On December 17 2014 13:40 sciberbia wrote: @VE I find Damdred a bit suspicious because he has avoided substantiating reads. + Show Spoiler [read on VE] + On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote: I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing. Kinda wishy/washy and unsubstantiated for a supposedly strong town read. Says you are putting in effort [granted you can do that as mafia]. And he "understands what you're doing". Just very vague. Like, by this point I have several specific things I could point to to justify my top couple town reads. + Show Spoiler [read on LS] + On December 17 2014 12:01 Damdred wrote: I am not sold either way. Someone shouldn't be judged obviously based solely on meta reasons. For example hen he was scum in student mafia it looked really really close to his town game and it was only a couple things that gave him away. So meta wise he is easy to copy. He seems to dismiss both Palmar's case and my post as inconclusive because they are based on meta reasons. But... they weren't at all based on meta reasons. In fact, neither Palmar nor I have even played with LS before. + Show Spoiler [Palmar] + On December 17 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote: Also, votes on LS people, bro is 84% mafia. Evidence 1 Inherent guilt. He's like the 4th person to post in the thread and apologizes for it. Evidence 2 If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative. Evidence 3 Highly aware of own meta, and uses it instantly to defend himself against what are basically shit accusations. Evidence 4 When confronted with what is basically a troll accusation, he immediately goes for the defense again. Further, he does not entertain the possibility that me or anyone else pushing him might be mafia, just straight up "look, I'm not mafia". Soooo.... we good? Kill LS? + Show Spoiler [me] + On December 17 2014 11:22 sciberbia wrote: I think LightningStrike is likely town for two reasons. Actually three but I'm omitting one.
I get the feeling he is scum and having trouble coming up with good, specific reasons to justify his stated reads. VE, were you getting the same feeling or do you disagree? @Damdred If you feel like VE is a solid read, can you point to something specific in his filter that you think he would not post as scum? Firstly, saying that VE is a solid read at this point does not mean that I have a strong read on him. That is why he is under the Town LEAN category in my catch up post. Ok, and the point is? You basically repeated what I said. Thats the thing though just because I have a read one way or another doesn't mean I have to turn the read into a huge town post why that person is town. Hes possibly town hes in my town pile today unless he does something or someone puts together a head turning case. This next part is a lie, I say that I hate people hard defending LS based on meta, his meta was brought up by himself (which i really dislike) and bresh talked about it. I think LS has a scum tell that i'd rather not mention until later, but why lie about what I actually said. No where did I even talk about Palmars case you are making things up honestly. On December 17 2014 08:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I REEEEALLY don't like the bolded. It's like trying to throw mafia on marv for literally no reason. Like, it kinda feels like the kind of read Palmar makes as town, but it's on MARV, someone who A) is extraordinarily hard to read by default and B) someone who is likely to have clout moving further into the game. There's a decently high possibility that it was a joke too. Also the thing at the end "But it's okay for now" reminds me of our first game together when he seemed to follow every criticism with something like "but that doesn't bother me much" or "but that's okay" etc. On the plus side, regardless of his alignment, that pretty much makes LS a safe vote! :D I like this post plus the follow up explanation, his call out on me on my entrance post i felt was towny. His post since haven't read as scummy, he has covered people been invested and not tunneled. He is a solid read atm | ||
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On December 17 2014 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote: @Damdred: Scib said it a lot more eloquently than I would have. Your catch-up post reads as obligatory and thrown together, not based on your honest reads but based on what you think you should be commenting on. Given that you found it important to let us know that you were catching up, I was expecting a lot more meat on your catch-up post. ##Vote: Damdred Your explanation of your VE read is decent though, keep talking. Talk that much about one of your mafia reads. Don't really care if my post feels that way I threw my thoughts out their and got some responses on them. I found it important to take time out of my work day to enter the thread even if it was in a bad way and then when i had time posted what i could. Pressure vote really doesn't phase me that much i'm not really worried about dying today as I am town and I won't be killed tonight so have time to find mafia. I will induldge you though and talk more about scummers (and thanks for asking since you know everyone else just wants to focus on my town reads? or things I haven't said). SL is not really interested in pressuring people at all in the game or trying to find scum, he is more interested in trying to find out what people think about him Basically refuses to give reads at one point On December 17 2014 11:52 sicklucker wrote: Like my meta doesint tell me Ls is town yet still. I should read him better then most, I have a few reads that im waiting on too early. Then comes out of no where just two posts later to give one liners On December 17 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote: sciberbia town, palmer town, ls, town Its really early but not liking the other early posting vets like robik. They seem like sharks circling the newer players who have like 2 posts. and discredits robik in the process while not pointing to any other guilty party when he was only pressuring him earlier. He still does not scum hunt and only talks about Kush and hes null on bresh. His filter is pretty useless at this point (its early game granted) he has made no attempt to push the thread at all, give any thought on whats going on and somehow gave town reads over nothing and escaped pressure on it and lied. He is pretty scummy to me | ||
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On December 17 2014 14:15 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 13:58 Damdred wrote: This next part is a lie, I say that I hate people hard defending LS based on meta, his meta was brought up by himself (which i really dislike) and bresh talked about it. I think LS has a scum tell that i'd rather not mention until later, but why lie about what I actually said. No where did I even talk about Palmars case you are making things up honestly. @Damdred My mistake. I was asking you specifically about Palmar's post and my post in a draft of my previous post, but must have ended up deleting it. Still though, Palmar made some points which were not related to meta. I made some points which were not related to meta. Did you not find any of those points convincing either? Or even worth commenting on in relation to Lightning's alignment? I agree with VE that Damdred looks a bit better for his response. Point three would be the most convincing thing that Palmar said, self meta is inherently scummy behavior to me. But LS is prone to do this as has been shown before to do it. The whole push is a bit MEH to me and doesn't make him mafia, honestly i'm a bit hard headed towards LS as I think I understand how to read them. Your post isn't bad i actually liked your post I just don't like town cases on people generally. | ||
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On December 17 2014 14:37 sciberbia wrote: @damdred Well you missed the quote in the middle where he explains why he switches his mind on LS and presumably why he townreads me. So his story kinda checks out right? He was nullish on LS, read my post on why I think LS is town and liked it, so as a result he has townreads on both myself and LS. The really concerning thing about sicklucker, to use your words, is that he is not "pushing the thread" or "pressuring people", which I assume is an established part of his town meta, right? Yea, maybe still his other town reads really come out of no where. Generally SL will post whatever the hell he wants as town any idea or analysis to talk and he just isn't here "pushing the thread". And in my experience town SL finds scummy things be they wrong or right and talks them into the ground. | ||
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