EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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Trfel
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I'm currently on page 40. I was definitely not ready for the amount of posts that would be in a game with so few people. But at this rate, I will not be able to catch up in the thread by the voting deadline. I will keep checking the voting thread, and if it seems that 27ninjabunnies comes closer to not being lynched, I will change my vote. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:07 Vivax wrote: Reason for popping up just before the lynch? I've seen your town play and it was impressive, and this game you afked all day long? I noticed the thread right when it came up, and I tried to follow it, but got behind super quickly. I still made sure to look up when the lynch deadline is. I'm not sure if this game follows the mandatory voting rule, as I didn't see that listed on the first page, but to be safe, I voted in a way that does not affect anything. Again, if that changes, I will change my vote. I will do a far better job at being active in the thread, I just need to catch up first. Which, to be honest, will probably take me the rest of the evening to read, take notes, filter everyone, and check all of the statements. I could provide reads based on the first ~40 pages of the thread, but that feels really pointless, so I won't do that unless (for some reason) people really want me to. | ||
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What are some good strategies to effectively playing in a Mafia game that is this long, and has this many players? A lot of filter reading and note-taking, or what? | ||
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On December 11 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote: Focus on a couple people that you know. Or some reads you trust. And go from there. Vivax and Holyflare seem to be town for now (or at least, my biggest townreads at the moment). However, I'm not sold on the Xatalos scumread yet. I will definitely take another look at that when I can. | ||
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On December 11 2014 08:43 Trfel wrote: Vivax and Holyflare seem to be town for now (or at least, my biggest townreads at the moment). However, I'm not sold on the Xatalos scumread yet. I will definitely take another look at that when I can. I will add batsnacks and Fecalfeast to my list of tentative townreads. Need to head out now, but the main people I plan on investigating are Koshi, Damdred, Xatalos, LightningStrike, Tubesock, and KelsierSC. | ||
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On December 11 2014 10:32 Holyflare wrote: Sure.Can you explain your poopfeast420 read because a lot of people have the opposite read Reading his filter, he seemed really scummy at first, especially this post: On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? Since then, he seems to have provided some fine analysis. I don't really agree with his conclusions, but he seems to be trying to find the mafia. Mostly looking at his list post here, as well as his analysis of The_Templar's post. I suppose that the post on The_Templar is extremely picky with no real conclusion, but I can see where he is coming from. He hasn't been doing an amazing job of scumreading, but for now it seems to be good enough that he seems to lean slightly towards town. If you don't mind, can you point me to the reasons why other people think he is scum? | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:18 ritoky wrote: a glance through my and lonemeow's filter should do the trick for you on that one. Ok, thanks. I hope to get to it later tonight, but at latest, tomorrow. | ||
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On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi is mafia, c'mon. Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? I believe that each page of filter is twenty posts, so you only need to count the last page to get an accurate count (and I suppose subtract your pre-game posts). | ||
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On December 12 2014 09:13 Holyflare wrote: Did you read what lonemeow/kita/me wrote about him? Yes, I have. I have also filter read his posts multiple times. If you would like, I can elaborate, but unfortunately I will be really busy for a bit. In summary, his play is mostly fluff, but that doesn't incriminate someone (see Alakaslam, batsnacks, for example). And in the remaining posts, while I disagree, I see little reason to believe that those are his honest opinions after searching for scum. | ||
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On December 12 2014 09:28 Holyflare wrote: What do you mean by this? That you don't believe it's ff's honest opinion? Also if his play is mostly fluff and a lot of his play has mafiay agendas behind it as referenced mainly by lm, the bunnies point is so excellent, then just because other people play a similar way (i don't know why you actually mentioned slam and batsnacks when you have no idea what alignment they are??) doesn't mean he can't be scummy. Interested why you actually come to this conclusion at all. Sorry, that sentence should have read "And in the remaining posts, while I disagree, I see little reason to believe that those aren't his honest opinions after searching for scum. I'll take another look at Fecalfeast, and then move on to some other players. | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:39 batsnacks wrote: You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you? How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread. To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads. | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:46 batsnacks wrote: WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT Literally, shit. Post it. That's what everyone else is doing right now. It's SHIT. Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT? It can't be worse. And perhaps that is what is helping to make this game confusing for me? I'm not going to say something until I have something worth saying. Give me a bit to put a real post together. | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:47 Trfel wrote: And perhaps that is what is helping to make this game confusing for me? I'm not going to say something until I have something worth saying. Give me a bit to put a real post together. To add, I'm on page 96 right now. | ||
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First, other than me being a lurker, the only argument is a meta read. Which is based off of a whole one game. A student mafia game, with 13-14 people, where I was shot on Night 1. Meaning, I played for 72 hours in an "easy" game and only had to read ~30 pages the entire time. Then, I jumped into a game with ~26 players, including several veterans and skilled players. And it's already over 100 posts. I'm simply not able to play at the same level I was last game, and yes, that's not ideal. In addition, one thing that my last game taught me is that meta reads have limited use. So at the moment, I don't intend to make any meta reads. That doesn't mean I'm not trying, it just means that I decided that spending hours pouring over previous games for minimal value isn't a good use of time. Again, I realize 100% that I appear to be a very good lynch. But that is just for me being a policy lynch, the meta argument really lacks backing. My request is that people spend the next while looking into other people to lynch, as with this much time in the day I don't believe you should start looking at a policy lynch already. Anyway, I'll be looking at Fecalfeast's filter and the cases made against him again now. If anyone has any (specific) questions they would like me to answer, I should be up for a short while. But I will ignore general questions like "who is scum", as I'll answer that when I can. | ||
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Excluding that, I still am not that happy with a Fecalfeast lynch. Here is why. Fecalfeast hasn't presented any real reasons to read him as town. I'm not happy with him, and he's obviously playing badly (he's admitted several times that he hasn't been keeping up with the thread). That doesn't make him mafia, though, it just makes him lazy. I've read the cases on him, or at least all of the cases I could easily find. They generally seem weak, with the main argument being that he is doing a poor job of finding scum. While I disagree with many of the reads he presents in his list post, I get the impression that he is thinking, and I can see how someone would reach those conclusions. Basically, there doesn't seem to be much evidence against Fecalfeast, besides a simple policy lynch. And at this point, I really hope we can come up with something better than a policy lynch. One example is Tubesock, who feels better than a policy lynch to me due to some of the weird posting and the potential "scumslip". I still hope that there is a better target, though. Looking at Oatsmaster and Vivax's case on him next. | ||
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One more thing I found interesting about the Oatsmaster argument. On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Do I care? no. Trefel or Froggy is it today. Actually do I prefer trefel? Yes yes i do. ##unvote ##vote Trefel Last game (Student Mafia IV), Oatsmaster attacked batsnacks early on for advocating a policy lynch on kusmh4sta. This game, in the middle of discussion, Oatsmaster ignores it and advises what is basically a policy lynch instead. I'd definitely like to know why your views on policy lynches have changed, Oatsmaster. | ||
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I'll be back after lunch. Again, if anyone has any questions for me, I'm happy to answer. | ||
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I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished. | ||
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