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Chairman Ray
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On September 28 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote: It just crossed my mind that FF maybe the jester, thing to look like he is mafia faking jester so he get lynched (I know how this sounds but it is not too WIFOM). I mean, why claiming something as mafia and be easily counter claimed by the real jester, then reducing the lynch targets to 2 possibilities, where he will have 50% chance of being lynched, while he could blend in town and have 20% chance of being lynched?( I'm counting mafia + townies ) Mafia is blended in town and it is damdred, cr or VE. My best bet is on VE He reads FF as jester, and then leaves mafia in damdred, myself, and ve. At the time only me and FF claimed boxer, so from his perspective, I would be the real boxer if he thinks FF is jester. That is unless he considered the possibility that I could be fakeclaiming. When I did say that I fakeclaimed, GB was really surprised, so that wasn't the case. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about I clearly missed that? And why is he clearly joking why could he not be the Jester? You have too much information man, you're not town. Are you mafia or the Jester? I think Maf because I think FF is Jester. VE, FF is probably town since he's the only one claiming boxer atm. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Then what are you? We have three Oil and Vinegar claims and a Boxer claim. That leaves exactly 1 antitown in the OV claims and whatever you are. What are you CR? I'm OV btw, why were you the last person to claim when you were around from the start? | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I wasn't, you were. And I didn't claim immediately because I wanted to see what happened. So unless someone is trolling we have 4 OV claims and 1 Boxer claim, making FF confirmed town this game. If you're the REAL Boxer, you need to stand up and say something now or you'll be instantly lynched later in the day if you try and claim. Unless I missed something, your claim came 2 posts after mine. But regardless, what do you make of what happened? I'm definitely OV. Not fake claiming this time. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: GB is acting anti-town and now there's 1 more between the OV's. Right now I'm looking at you because you tried to fake-claim Boxer. Why did you try and fake-claim Boxer? My plan was to claim the opposite role if I rolled town. If I claimed boxer and there was only one other boxer claim, then we have a confirmed town. FF is confirmed town now. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so what was your plan if you rolled Boxer? Because if you claim OV then there are two other OV's out there and NO one is confirmed because one of the anti-town claimed your role, and presumably the other one claims OV. Like....I'm not buying this as a "premeditated plan" at all. The plan is very simple to grasp. Whoever is mafia will want the claims to be split 3-2 so that all 5 people are lynchable. If all town are honest about their claim, then it will end in 3-2 and we start with nothing at all. The only way to force a 2-3 or 4-1 claim is to be dishonest about my role in order to mislead the anti-town. To everyone else that's not VE, if VE is anti-town and his claim was based on what was currently claimed, then you can thank me for confirming FF as town. If I rolled boxer, I would do exactly the same thing and claim OV. The two possible scenarios are 3-2 or 4-1. If it ends up being 3-2, it will confirm two people as town and the game ends up really easy. If it's 4-1, I rescind my claim immediately, and we get a little information out of it, and there's no harm done. I don't know why you tried to argue against my plan assuming that if I rolled Boxer it will be a 4-1 split instead of a 3-2 split. Both scenarios are possible. In this current game, it's a 4-1 split, which is the best case scenario, but you ignored the best case scenario completely, even though it happened right in front of your eyes. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote: And his claim was after FF's, so, harder to believe it was premeditated... My plan did not require me to claim before FF. It only required me to claim before at least one anti-town. Since FF is confirmed town, it doesn't matter if I claim before or after him. Read my previous post for the explanation. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote: OK I understand why I'm an idiot now. I think CR is jester. He's trying to wiggle out of his counterclaim a little too obviously I think. I mean if he said "I planned to claim boxer only if I rolled OV/VT" I would believe him but "I planned to claim the opposite town role" sounds hastily typed out in a panic. I still think CR is non-town but I think he is jester. FF, you are the only one confirmed town, so I really need you to understand me and trust me here. I rescinded my claim IMMEDIATELY after the last person claimed. I gave almost no room for people to form a discussion. In fact, at the time GB and VE thought you were the anti-town. I am NOT trying to wiggle myself out of a counterclaim. Go read my explanation, if anything is unclear, ask. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:34 Fecalfeast wrote: On top of that, he keeps leaving the thread which GB keeps saying is classic jester behaviour. I leave the thread when I am actually busy. I'm not gonna pretend to leave just as a tactic. That's using out-of-game information, and I find it a dishonest way to play the game. I'm not gonna do that. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:37 Damdred wrote: Cr is the jester I believe at this point so it comes down to GB and be right now. If I had to pick one I'd say GB right now 2/3 between you, gb, and ve are anti-town. That means one of you needs to be taking my reads seriously. I don't care about the other two. If you have a reason to think I'm the Jester, please give it. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Well you and me both - but frankly I don't think there's much scummy in what CR is doing. Suboptimal for town sure, antitown flavored maybe, but SCUMMY? Meeehhhh...not with GB in the game. In my opinion anyway. If you think what I did was suboptimal for town, then tell me one harm that it did. | ||
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On September 28 2014 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: VE you're assuming CR's plan is legit and you're again working with the hypothesis where he claimed before FF. why are you so sure his plan is legit? I thought I had the game close to be figured out, but CR's unclaim just messed everything up. I'm scum for getting things confused? Lol VE. You can do better than that, regardless alignments What did my unclaim mess up? I rescinded my claim IMMEDIATELY after the last person claimed. I didn't wait until people wasted time discussing the game assuming I'm claiming Boxer. My play may have been the only reason why FF is confirmed town, who you thought was anti-town. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I wasn't, you were. And I didn't claim immediately because I wanted to see what happened. So unless someone is trolling we have 4 OV claims and 1 Boxer claim, making FF confirmed town this game. If you're the REAL Boxer, you need to stand up and say something now or you'll be instantly lynched later in the day if you try and claim. VE, can you explain this statement? | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I wanted to see who claimed what. From my perspective, I'm going to come from the group that is most claimed (OV/VT) so it doesn't matter when I claim. Besides me, at least one and probably 2 others were going to claim OV, I didn't feel the need to claim immediately. On September 29 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Like you have to understand that order of claims is NOT important here. Why? Because from the beginning of the game, the two anti-town ARE GOING to fake-claim. Like, it's not just a possibility, that's a FUNCTION of the setup. So we KNOW at least TWO people are going to fake-claim. That's the thing I don't understand. You feel that order of claims is not important, but you also intentionally withheld your claim. That's a contradiction. | ||
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On September 28 2014 22:26 GlowingBear wrote: LOL now that I told you that, I just thought that my current position is this: CR Damdred, FF, GB Therefore, it leaves as mafia: VE I'm gonna re read the thread again to confirm this, but in the way I see this, game is pretty much solved. I just need to listen more from damdred to certify he is town. Come to the thread damdy. Why am I Jester? | ||
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