EPT[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia
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MihZaaa
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MihZaaa
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MihZaaa
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So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read. You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches. I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes. Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you. I don't like lynch all lurkers, I prefer don't play with the lurker next game. Some times especially in newbie games vt will lurk and mislynching is not worth it just to be righteous. As to lynch all liars, i do like it when for example when people claim roles to protect the real ones but those are very rare occasions so even though i wouldn't bilindly lynch a liar I sure would keep an eye on him and have him in my scum side. I'll have to go now for up to 5 hours but I will resume as soon as i get back home. | ||
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MihZaaa
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On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give? No, not at all. When i said that you had given plenty of reads for how early it was. The disproportion stemmed from the multitude and length of posts and not from too few reads. Again, this is a minor thing though. What I would like to see is more from lilwade though. He may be asleep right now because I see he lives in the us but I'm interested in the fact that he asked for reads but ultimately did not contribute. I see that as a little scummy as if he's testing the waters with his toe before putting himself at all in the spotlight. I'll wait 10-12 more hours before I form an opinion based on being lurky. Daydreamarine is in the same boat. In regards to the kill, bang, marry thing I think i'm in a bang jennyhell spot because I liked your reads and because I think you would have been more reluctant to take the microphone so hard day 1 had you been mafia. I'm too young to get married though. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player. I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia. In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles. I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active. I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well. | ||
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MihZaaa
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MihZaaa
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Superbia I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to. 2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1 I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him. In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5 I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape. 3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5 I started reeling you back into town for this one. I agree. At this point you're still leaning mafia to me. 3. Baaaah! I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification. 1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!) Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation. 2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5 I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch. Can you be a bit more proactive? I liked this a lot! Good request. Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage. More town points for you! Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now. I can see how that might have been seen as contradictory. Won't waste much time on this but I think mafia would have sinked their teeth in this asap and more importantly wouldn't have reconsidered it with such detailed reasoning. More town points to you. Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town. This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler + I don't know if you were totally joking with the sexism thing but it's serious enough business for me to address. It didn't immediately come to mind that JennyHell was a girl(I feel a bit stupid that you had to point it out to me). I had the name Miranda in cs 1.6 for a long time mostly because I like the name so much even though I'm a guy. The fact that it came off sexist is bad and i'm sorry, jenny saw it the same way Superbia did. | ||
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MihZaaa
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MihZaaa
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I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle. The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that? Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now. What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to. | ||
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MihZaaa
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate. I'm happy none of the negative stuff didn't happen yet though. | ||
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MihZaaa
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MihZaaa
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4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated? Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town. I gathered that you saw them as town too so that's not really helpful. What do you think of abuse and meatpump? You still haven't told me why you asked for Jenny's thoughts so early on. Like I said it felt like testing the waters and I read it as scummy. | ||
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MihZaaa
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From least scummy to most. Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5. Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him. I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours. Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that. | ||
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MihZaaa
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Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. What? He called me town for posing questions in a non-attacking manner which is not at all alignement indicative and he said "Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish)". Those are gut reads at best. No analysis to speak of. This snough to put him in your town circle? You also asked me if I lean neutral or scum on superbia and the answer is I'm leaning town on him. Abuse I saw you "gave town points" to Superbia for saying "Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage". Do you still think this is valid? Do you think Superbia didn't get sidetracked with this? Do you think that superbia is not one of the people who actually are the most sidetracked by this, and are actively mentioning these over and over again? No, not really. He had a lengthy post but he was on the right track with it. A little bumpy but in the right direction. why exactly do you think he deserves a lynch less than me, even though he was the cause of all the "heavy" and "aggressive" that you said you are not a fan of? While you say that your most valid lynch candidate currently is me, even though you say that I helped town. Do you think this is good logic to go by? Things haven't gotten aggressive yet and even if it did, the one who is calmer is not necessarily townier. I don't subtract points for being punchy. My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him? calls meatpudding scum because he agrees with my point of view. says meatpuddings views seem made up, while in actuality meatpudding gives one of the most best inputs in this entire thread. I explained on meatpudding's section why i don't think he gave "one of the most best inputs in this entire thread". Although goobledydook is my biggest scum so I agree with your read why are you siding with meatpudding so much. It's so scummy that both of you are defending the other hard for things that aren't even that good reads/ town plays. He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game. You say this but again, I don't agree that much. You guys are either both mafia or both town. Goobledydook The post where you voted abuse was not well justified. Yeah, he spent time explaining himself. Isn't that what everybody should do? Explaining yourself as town will be the best read you have because you know you're town. Convincing others of it is mandatory. It's like you came, saw who was being put on the spot and piled what you could find in the hope that people will follow. You're not making any sense. He does make sense and if you think he's wrong you should be explaining it to him. Too few arguments for a rushed vote. | ||
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MihZaaa
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Your retreat seems just as void of arguments as your attack. | ||
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MihZaaa
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Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off. I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse. He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy. I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to. On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most. Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse. Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present. | ||
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