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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 01 2014 02:38 GMT
#122
/in

Tons of time to spare
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 04 2014 15:46 GMT
#240
On June 04 2014 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 04 2014 23:39 yamato77 wrote:
I knew someone would do just that, Mocsta.

Oh you Aussies and your particularities.


What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


Hmm, darthpunk feels very touchy to me.

*warning: do not touch or else*
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 04 2014 16:17 GMT
#247
On June 05 2014 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:
i was just playing around with the kids.


u srs
cant smell srs from your bsns
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 08 2014 12:53 GMT
#345
On June 08 2014 21:47 batsnacks wrote:
I'm getting bad vibes.


Call me masochist but I like it when there are conflicting personalities.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 09:42 GMT
#1044
On June 11 2014 18:36 marvellosity wrote:
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On June 11 2014 12:51 Rainbows wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
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On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.

I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.

I will continue my quest tomorrow.


His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them?

Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me.


If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now.

Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation.

What strikes me odd was his next post:

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 08:16 Koshi wrote:
No sorry my towns are town.


Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him.

From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me.

tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia.


I don't get CR's goal with his postings. he comes to no conclusion, just that some post made koshi scummy but his next post made him more town. So is he mafia or town for CR at this point?

I care not that CR is posting intelligently (this is a good thing!!!), but there's a bunch of text with seemingly no bite involved atm

yes, i agree with this i think.


I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me.

CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is.

Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks.

Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 09:47 GMT
#1046
##Vote: Koshi

I'll settle with a d1 koshi lynch until someone posts more scummy than koshi
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 09:54 GMT
#1051
Batsnacks would make a bad policeman
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 10:12 GMT
#1055
By being so controversal, you're ultimately ignored and become blended into the crowds of foolishness?
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 10:43 GMT
#1070
On June 11 2014 19:42 batsnacks wrote:
Why did you feel the need to filter dive Palmar right now?


#tryhard
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 10:48 GMT
#1074
On June 11 2014 19:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not changing my play. I'm going to continue analyzing and look to lynch a lurker. Mafia will give a lot of information based upon wagons come later days. D3 is a time when we can analyze the first wagons (d1 and d2) and get a ton of information. While it's not beneficial to lynch for information now, it helps us later

These first 3 have yet to post. The First 2 Havent posted in 10+ days
Erandorr - likely modkill

gumshoe - likely modkill

StrongandBig - likely lurking mafia

Ritoky - isn't reading the thread. feels like town in his 1 post I remember him making + Show Spoiler +
ritoky=vt-idiottownlikely-villageidiot
i'd label the spoiler as his alignment/class of his play if you held a gun to my head


Rainbows - from lurker to having a lot of content in a few pages... have a townlean on him

thekingofcats - same as ritoky, but i liked his entrance less for being town... perhaps he is just more withdrawn and intelligent... yeah, i just went and filter dove him. His 1 post is similar to the Ritoky case of lurkerism and lack of reading, but he shows some comprehension

he says "ive caught up" but then indicates he may not have actually read the entire thread. he then goes onto posting a decent analysis, so i view him as being more intelligent than
Mattchew/Foolish-hydra (mattisfoolish) -

Palmar - this is someones filter i want to expand on. i'm going to filter dive him right now.


I do not advocate an information lynch since it is mostly for the 'future', which can change so quickly that the info may not hold.

at least, a policy lynch keeps people in line.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 12:11 GMT
#1097
On June 11 2014 20:46 yamato77 wrote:
I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA

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-I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.


And what has he done so far this game?

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On June 11 2014 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alrighty well the thread is already too long so I just skipped it, I assume its mostly early game spam. I'll start reading from this point on.


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
this game is giving me a migraine ill let you know when i start reading it again


While I agree with the sentiment expressed, it's still the same sort of hypocritical nonsense that Ver so accurately pointed out. VA as mafia loves to complain and argue about pointless shit. VA as town would have just posted what he thought about someone/something, right or wrong, and been done with it.

Of course, it's only two posts, but it's a solid lead.

##Vote: VayneAuthority

I'll be looking at Koshi and Chairman more in depth soon. I think they are town, but there is sentiment expressed that this is not the case, and I wish to solve the matter.


Uh.... you seemed to miss the point. Ver used BOTH points as a combination of factors. Even if VA is about to turn into a blue post craping whore, the truth is he haven't. You either jumped the gun too early, or you are trying to shoot him before he turned, which leads into 2 outcomes : 1) He WILL turn 2)You are just trying to shoot for the heck of it.

On June 11 2014 20:52 yamato77 wrote:
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On June 11 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote:
The pressure votes, overwhelming.

+ Show Spoiler +
not here till Thursday!

Oh yeah, by the way, this is exactly what mafia Holyflare does. He afks for most of the early game, and then comes in later with all his tryhard worked up. See Survivor for a perfect example. I theorize that he does this as mafia because he finds it difficult to post early on as mafia (which is a tricky thing to do convincingly), so he just skips it, takes the heat for being afk, and then makes up for it with his ability to post long posts full of reasonable-sounding things later on.

He could be legitimately busy, but his posts show he's obviously reading the thread, just not actively participating. Regardless of the manner of his return, he is definitely up there in terms of mafia candidates for this sort of play, simply given his history with this exact pattern.


Uh... stop?

On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 20:49 marvellosity wrote:
On June 11 2014 20:46 yamato77 wrote:
I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA

-I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.


And what has he done so far this game?

On June 11 2014 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alrighty well the thread is already too long so I just skipped it, I assume its mostly early game spam. I'll start reading from this point on.


On June 11 2014 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
this game is giving me a migraine ill let you know when i start reading it again


While I agree with the sentiment expressed, it's still the same sort of hypocritical nonsense that Ver so accurately pointed out. VA as mafia loves to complain and argue about pointless shit. VA as town would have just posted what he thought about someone/something, right or wrong, and been done with it.

Of course, it's only two posts, but it's a solid lead.

##Vote: VayneAuthority

I'll be looking at Koshi and Chairman more in depth soon. I think they are town, but there is sentiment expressed that this is not the case, and I wish to solve the matter.

you're completely missing the 2nd half of Ver's analysis, i.e. spending all his time talking about roles and other shit, which is the massive incongruency, and the incongruency is why he was mafia. That incongruency doesn't exist here because he's not doing anything else either. So using Ver to back up your read is pretty dodgerific

I really have no interest in your opinion.


Stop.

On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:
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On June 11 2014 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
I have law exams that end tomorrow yamato

That doesn't mean you aren't mafia anyway.


I really mean it, stop.

On June 11 2014 20:56 yamato77 wrote:
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On June 11 2014 20:53 marvellosity wrote:
then you're still fucking terrible.

There still exists an incongruity. Vayne is complaining about the quality of the game yet is actually making it worse with the way he posts.

Vayne's towngame does not consist of complaint posts. He doesn't care about the state of the thread when he's town. He just plays the game.


I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA

-I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.


MASSIVE INCONGRUENCY.

On June 11 2014 21:04 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2014 20:56 yamato77 wrote:
On June 11 2014 20:55 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:
On June 11 2014 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
I have law exams that end tomorrow yamato

That doesn't mean you aren't mafia anyway.


Silly sausage! If i don't post it's because i have a reason

We'll see.


Well no because now if i return with try hard you will say "see! Classic mafia". If i don't you'll say "he doesn't care, classic mafia!"

If you're going to use meta don't use unequivocally wrong ones. Or you can just be mafia and continue with it.

If you don't have time to play, then why are you arguing with me about your alignment right now?

I don't have to believe your reasons for your inactivity. And no, my analysis of your play so far involves no catch-22, because your being afk as mafia happens exclusively in the early game. Later in the game, you obviously play legitimately. You might be afk early on as town and then come back and play legitimately. But noting the pattern is important because it's a 30 player game, so I need to narrow my focus down to a small enough range of people to where I really don't have to analyze every post.


...

On June 11 2014 21:04 yamato77 wrote:
tl;dr I'm watching you, HF


I'M WATCHING YOU YAMATO.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 13:56 GMT
#1131
Calling everyone scrubs for not agreeing with his view.... Hmmm...
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 14:28 GMT
#1140
On June 11 2014 23:27 ExO_ wrote:
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On June 11 2014 23:17 Rainbows wrote:
i dont see a reason for mafia HF not to just peace out till thursday and stick to that. This seems inherently more scummy, but so obviously scummy that he probably wouldn't do it as scum. lol


I'm not so sure. If you are the mafia, you've got all the power. You're in control of the game, and you know it (and nobody else knows it). I think he could very easily just be an overconfident mafia


Well, everyone thinks that way, if you play with such obvious stuff, there's no way you're mafia.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 14:32 GMT
#1143
Exo joins me on my town totem.

Town totem:
Chrom
Exo
batsnacks
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:18 GMT
#1253
On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong.

I am going to go with everybody else.


Lol

This beautiful example of a post by koshi is the very reason why people do one liner replies such as 'lol'.

I seriously dislike this 'everyone is an idiot' attitude from koshi. Do something more productive other than smearing shit all over the thread like marv is.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:29 GMT
#1261
On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me?


I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch.


I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it.

All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh.

My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch.

##Vote:Chairman Ray
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:32 GMT
#1262
On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.

Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it.


Different places have different meta, I guess. On the mafias that I used to play (warcraft 3 custom map mafia), the meta was to shittalk as much as you can d1 and lynch the guy who is the most serious. Tl mafia's meta is to over analyse everyone d1, get on a policy lynch wagon and cry.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:36 GMT
#1265
On June 12 2014 05:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 05:32 HaruRH wrote:
On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.

Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it.


Different places have different meta, I guess. On the mafias that I used to play (warcraft 3 custom map mafia), the meta was to shittalk as much as you can d1 and lynch the guy who is the most serious. Tl mafia's meta is to over analyse everyone d1, get on a policy lynch wagon and cry.

Don't shit-talk something you don't understand.

TL towns over the past 6-9 months have had an abnormally high hit-rate on mafia day 1.


Probably because of this pressure that is put on votes, causing overreaction for some who are not used to it.

By how this thread is developing, I doubt we will get a good d1 lynch outside of a policy lynch on a mafia. Not enough materials to work on.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:37 GMT
#1267
On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually

Hmm.

*looks at Haru*

hmmmmmm



Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 11 2014 20:40 GMT
#1271
On June 12 2014 05:38 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote:
On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually

Hmm.

*looks at Haru*

hmmmmmm



Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit.

first game or not, the difference is striking.

how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then?


For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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