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On April 15 2014 21:48 strongandbig wrote: Like, I think we should really try an actual post limit game and not do the Sicilian thing again I actually thought post donating was cool. Getting to see who the lurky players want talking more makes for a pretty interesting dynamic. | ||
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havent had enough to read things too in depth. but heres a few things that stand out, geript is town as far as I can tell, or hes playing hard into his own meta. I dont think palmer is scum because a) i am all too familiar with the if im going down towns coming with me mentality, (not specifically in mafia but other traitor games like bsg) its a shit scum strat because threatening people in a game with virtually no stakes is a bad idea, you cant cowe a town with this many great players and I dont think scum plam would try it. seems like a rage play. As scum Hes better off using his time to influence town, because he will never flip thanks to callers nuke. b) pardoner seems like a shit role for scum, seeing as if you use to save your buddy, you instantly become a target and he just gets lynched tommorow. I have a few preliminary scum reads but I need to get completely intimate with das thread first : P not going to throw myself into another retarded tunnel again if I can help it. 2 am here T_T night all, gl. | ||
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On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe "Gumshoe used swear on life thats hes town against blazing hand! how much damage will it do?" + Show Spoiler + "Swear on life was not very effective against blazing hand, because he is a heartless type" Hmm, Gumshoe must change up his tactics! Time to solve this matter, Detective Gumshoe style! 1: Blazing hand asserts that Gumshoe is lying about his clan war... http://www.twitch.tv/ph0b0ssc2/b/523332101 (I start playing around the 2:03 mark.) I then went onto to play in a tourney, though it wasnt streamed so thats harder to prove / : I can do so pain stakingly if you like, but I am telling the truth brah. Didnt have time for much else than starcraft that day. Heres proof that I am in fact a little Tramp. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IREyFkR.png) that was the 26th. as for the 27th, I was out having a picnic with family (we then went to visit a friends place) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z34nZQ3.jpg) Read that date backwards and upside down and you get 04/27/2014 to prove it is me in that picture, here is the dog in said picture. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PGHVXLQ.jpg) (Dog was not hurt in the making of this picture, he is in fact thrilled to be involved in the makings of justice!) As for the 28th, I will concede that I was pretty lazy / : I had come home pretty late after the picnic (as evidenced by my 2am gmt post) and I had yet to catch up on the thread, which is why my post adressed fairly early events (palmers belligerence, Geripts general bearing.) I read about half the thread yesterday and pretty much caught up today. I'm here now and I ams readies to contribute! Oh and Bh, you also say that I am scum for not voting, it had nothing to do with that, if you dont vote you are breaking the rules, it's not something I can just choose not to do because I dont feel like it and even the last game I played as scum I did vote (on my team mate no less) not because it suited my aims, but because it was required of me / : this time around I just missed the deadline because I was gone all day T_T I'm not asking people to think I'm town because of my absence / : I can and have lurked as scum, all I ask is not to make anything of it, because it's literally just me being lazy and a jerk to the game, nothing else. Now, moving on to actual reads! Blazing hand: I dont actually think hes scum / : his accusation against me is shit purely because he doesnt know how shit a player I generally am(we've never played together I think so cant fault him for that), otherwise what hes saying makes sense. Hes just wrong : P I read him townie because he came out of caller gate thinking caller and palmer were both town (a conclusion I came to as well) he didn't at all try to directly profit from an easily exploitable situation and instead looked amongst the reactors to caller gate in his quest for scum. He ended up picking on geript ,a target I disagreed with but only because I only meta read Geript these days, his actions at a glance were inherently scummy though, assuming a crazy town player would not do something crazy as town, I mean cmon tls joke games are called Caller games... Basically I can see where Blazing was coming from. Also I just cant understand why he would push so hard on Strong when the alternative is a no lynch... if he was saving a scum buddy maybe, but say your blazing and you have the choice of hard pushing for a lynch vs a no lynch. Say the player flips green, you look like shit, say he doesn't, then hes around the following day and town probally wastes a lynch again. At the very least strong's mere presence would reduce the odds of a scummer getting lynched... We need 5 more on SnB or we no-lynch. Come on guys. Wait, we have an extra hour. Get the fuck onto SnB I just cant see this sentiment towards a green flip coming from scum this early in the game... Bh is probs town peeps / : get off him. Now for a scum read! Oatsmaster! His tone is super hostile and negative. More importantly though theres this sense of desperation to his tone before anythings really happened. Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch. man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. The games just begun yet hes giving off significant vibes of defeatism. Something scum are want to do due to the pressure they are always under. Also In general I dont like how hes so rude to other players who he doesn't even seem to think are scum. Sandro is so bad at the game man wtf where did he get his reputation. POSSIBLE SCUM SLAM?? REALLY SANDRO. OH REALLY CALLER? TRAPS? FROM YOU????? [quote]Ceph sounds really whiny. [/quote [quote]Austin you clearly have no idea wtf im saying.[/quote] I just dont get why he feels the need to shit all over players who are probally his team mates / : it doesnt strike me as standard Oats, someone that can be aggressive, but only towards his scum reads for the most part. Basically town oats thinks your mafia, scum oats thinks your retarded. Oh and then theres this (its been mentioned before but I think it deserves another look) [quote]Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch.[/quote] critiques Geript for wanting to go after a crazy player whose used up his shot. [quote]Btw the reason why caller is town and Slam is scum is the personalities. Caller is insane. Slam is actually not insanse although he types like it. Out of the blue shot coupled with shitty reasoning. Caller didnt give jack shit reasons. Town aint gonna give a shit, scum gonna try and justify their shot. Literally Alak just got away with fucking murder.[/quote] Suggests we kill someone who HAS done crazy shit in the past (regardless of Oat's perception of him) for using his shot...yeah... thats pretty darn scummy. Heres sicilian style mafia for general refrence(a similar game with a post limit also hosted by Ver), in this game Oat's is eager to play and is actually afraid of instantly burning up his posts... he certainly doesn't have that issue this game / : oh and compare his opening post that game to this one. [quote]VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez. In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative. Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum.[/quote] [quote]Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch.[/quote] Circumstances are different, but the two cadences are pretty much night and day / : ##Vote: Oatsmaster I am now off to walk in the rain : P be back in a few. | ||
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Ima post palmer style for the next half hour to get psyched! Palmer style = + Show Spoiler + Brb, playing dota, be back in 30 min In all seriousness gonna take a hard look at slam and Bh today, Out of the three variables I'm pretty sure Ceph is town, because parity cop is a singular role, ie it's unlikely scum would claim it because if there is a par cop counter it's pretty clear that one is scum. I read Bh as town so far and I've read Slam as Slam / : so not too keen on lynching either of them, but yeah somethings gotta give between the two. Anything specific anyone wants me to look at? Or any questions for me to answer, I find my best odds of getting back into a game are usually specific missions XD | ||
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Pretty sure slams town, he reads like slam, and if Bh is scum we can always back up so it's no biggie. Let the flames burn! | ||
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On May 04 2014 10:51 austinmcc wrote: 18 Gumshoe, would you care to play the game? What makes you think slam is town? What changed about BH since - THINGS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T POST BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE ME CONCERNED 1: Looking back, I dont like how when I wrote up that huge response to Bh's case he replied with this. Well if gumshoe isn't happenning that's fine but there's no way in heck that were lynching fool. Also 1) foolishness can't outfox me in a QT for so long, you guys are just bad and 2) foolishness is town my one actual post and he just glazes over it and says i make a good policy lynch regardless? Yeah that kinda sucks. I was his primary vote candidate, if he was town he would want to tear apart my response, instead he just ignores it and assumes I wont be active enough to hound him for that. Thats not why I'm voting him though, I'm voting Bh because cephs cop claim is bad if hes scum so hes probally town and as for Slam, if your a mafia day vig why shoot at all? You can just save that shot till a) your about to die b) you REALLY need it or c) use it as a win condition at end game(I feel this assessment is reinforced by Oat's behaviour, he was probally saving the shot for last moment and then got distracted or something). Instead he spends it to kill Yamato throwing himself into the spotlight!? Why? That and the guy who gave Slam the hardest time for his shot was Oats... why would a fellow scum day vig do that? In what way does that strengthen their position? Finally Slam's tone is just Slammy, so yeah, much more up for a blaze kill today. | ||
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On May 04 2014 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Mixed. After that last gumshoe post I want to lynch gumshoe over EITHER, at least until I forget about it. Slam isn't posting like what I think townSlam should be posting like. He's stuck in time, just repeating about why he shot yamato or why people shouldn't be scummy on him for shooting yamato. There's no forward motion, no attempts at forward motion, you can't wind him up and get him to go, anything. Gut read would be he's mafia based on that. I don't put tons of credit in "scum wouldn't just blow yamato away / scumteam wouldn't let slam do that", because I've seen mafia slam use his roll in a really weird/scummy way, get called out for it, and then just shut down (Aperture 2 or whatever it was). I...THINK we should be lynching BH. Not because slam looks town to me, and I'm not even in the "slam looks like slam" camp. I actively think he's scummy, but if I trust the check and only think ONE of them is scum, it's likelier to be BH. I'm not 100% on that, I waver. I tend to have this effect on people XD Anything that comes out of the mouth of someone who hasn't posted for 24 hours is scummy / : so cant really blame ya for hearing things that way. I am town though, it's my saving grace if you will, though I doubt it'll actually do much to actually save me : P never does. | ||
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On May 04 2014 11:36 austinmcc wrote: Would you please give me like...3 posts or so and we chat for a moment? Did you actually look back at Slam/BH like you said you were going to? (Serious question that isn't 100% alignment-determinative either way, just wondering) Your one post is kind of just a massive chunk of "everything oats does is scummy". It's also...odd. Like, for someone who's actively doing nearly nothing, whatever alignment you are, you call oats scum and do a case on him AND ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT SICILIAN AND COMPARE HIS PLAY HERE TO THERE. I REALLY WISH BH HAD LOOKED AT THAT POST. What made you willing to do a bunch of work on oats, but otherwise barely play? Inspiration. Everyone calls me a shit player, which isn't necessarily wrong, but more importantly I am a fickle one, something needs to catch my eye, there has to be a spark that makes me want to dive filters. In cell that spark was rayn's dejavu aggression and setup speculation. In my first real game (basterd) it was Wos's fake claim. In Cultured it was Suki's fakish start up post. Sometimes that spark never hits (nuclear, doctor who mafia) and it certainly doesn't help when I'm just not around for the first few days like this game. So why did I post this game? I responded to Blazing hand because I saw an opportunity to reflect his aggression using his style (Bh has been known to post rl info and pics to prove his innocence, or at least has done that in the past) so I found a fun opportunity there that got me excited. As for Oats, I've played alot of games with him and hes not usually such a dick. My very first game I was shut down because someone just called me bad over and over so I've always been sensitive to insults and the like / : I went back to look for his meta and found Sicilian, a perfect parallel and sure enough he was far more positive. As for today, I like dt checks, or weird role situations in general, it's a lot easier to read 2 people then 20. Oh and yes I did read them. This has been my thought process this game in it's entirety, hasn't been much so it's pretty easy to lay out XD | ||
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On May 04 2014 11:53 austinmcc wrote: This is my last post, given that I shipped one to oats (seriously, I'd <3 2-3) ##unvote ##vote: Blazinghand Nothing happened  Hmmm, okay. We played together in nuclear and doctor who, so I may not have seen "el spark-o magnifico". Why Sicilian specifically, and why only Sicilian? Beyond that, when you looked at BH/slam filters, anything in particular strike you that you don't think has been brought to thread? I get creeped out when people say they did something and then kind of give cursory or unrelated conclusions. Sicilian because it was a ver game with limited post count where both of us were active, making it a strong foil. I remembered it vividly because Oat's got off to a good start in that game and Rayn outed me when I told him I was the body guard ) : As for specifics, I didnt find Bh as scummy as others do, hes been rude, spammy and arrogant. Things I usually think of as townie. As I mentioned though, when I looked for his response to my post it just wasn't there and he forget all about me day 3. When your town you dont just forget your reads because your under pressure yet thats exactly what he did. Even disregarding that, theres no reason for Slam to shoot when he did as scum, he can save that shot as long as he likes so why? Clearly Oats, the one maf day vig we knew of wasnt in any rush to fire so yeah, just seems like a silly scum move, same goes for Caller. As for general tone, I have a hard time accusing someone who posts come at me bro chickens ) : it's a kind of bizzare sillyiness you see out of carefree town or scum who are about to get lynched. The latter because a huge weights been lifted from thier shoulders. They dont have to lie or cheat anymore, just lie back and think of England, looks kinda like this out of Bh. I held a snake once as a child. Someone in class brought him to school as a show and tell. During elementary school I had a turtle named "Rough". He was green. I held him several times. My sister also had a turtle, which she named, and I kid you not, "Golden Retriever" because she wanted a dog. ._. I know Slam (known as a silly guy) might do that as scum, but it just seems so out there to do that shit when he did under the standard influence of red fever / : I dont see how Ceph could be scum, so between slam and bh it's not much of a contest, off with his flaming head / : | ||
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On May 04 2014 12:12 austinmcc wrote: Thanks for making some posts and donating some posts, Gumshoe. JAT, gotta see. Him being a traitor means some associative stuff is all wonky now, we dunno whether he was recruited or not (afaik so far). It's like VE in Catasrophe, if BH couldn't communicate with mafia yet, then his filter will be somewhat informative but it's not like they'd be coordinating and he wouldn't KNOW if his reads were correct. Still, scum lynch. Bitches, paper, etc. (WoS get out of my head) Anytime!(in an ideal word) so yeah ceph and slams confirmed town, that's always nice. Also filter diving blazing again still isn't a bad idea, maybe he 180ed on someone he read as scummy/townie which might suggest he joined scum at some point. Ima probs do that tommorow. Night night town, gj ( : | ||
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In hearthstone, certain decks have combos that are pretty much the way they end games 90 percent of the time (ie force of nature savage roar) why would scum not treat they're shots the same way? They can a) just fire when they are about to be lynched or b) use it at end game when towns ability to counter has been depleted to outright win. Your tehpoofter, why on earth do you admit to having that shot when you really dont have to and why would you percieve to shoot someone town doesnt want to die (not even one of the better players, just somebody people generally agreed was townie) it makes no sense. It's by that same reasoning that I thought caller was town, why fire, why earn that ire when theres just no reason to? I feel Oat's (the only confirmed scum not including traitor) actions reinforce my theory, he was probably waiting to the last moment to fire but then got busy or something. He never claimed to have his shot, yet have it he did. Teh poof's shot is similar to Slam's, a random hunch that a townie acted upon because townies need gratification, they are impatient. Still, I got caught in a crazy theory last game and wouldnt stray from it at all. Thats what ended up losing me the game in cell T_T for the most part. So I asked myself, undershot circumstance would scum feel the need to take their shots? The answer came to me while I was reading a certain someones filter, someone weve all forgotten about for the most part. Vayne Authority didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub After Vayne started pushing me and poofter (weaker players/easy marks) I dived his filter and refound the above qoute, this was debated at the time because there is no town motive for revealing that your a blue like that. Yet thats not what I found wierd, why would Vayne assume the game was all blue? So far in the game we had had 2 shots (slam and caller) 1 pardon one blue flip (s and b) and thats it, 4 flips out of 23 players... maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like he drags this detrimental assumption out of thin air... even the op suggests vannilas... There will be a number of day killing roles in the game, though still plenty of vanilla roles Also Vayne played in sicilian(vers previus game) and that that game had greens galore... So where does Vayne get the idea from that the whole game is blue? Only one thought occurs, what if all mafia are some degree of power role? So far Oats and Blazing both had wierd powers, so as of now it doesnt seem too unlikely, that and it explains were Vayne got his assumption from (if all scum are power roles, it somewhat makes sense to think similarly of town) and him bieng scum explains why he wouldnt care about outing himself (seriusly, dude learns that town power roles like him are limited from a green flip and he proceeds to out himself as a result? How does that make sense?) So how does this relate to poofter and the shots? Well if scum think everyone is a power role, they have to claim or do something right? They would feel pressured to use their shots or whatever abilities they had in order to blend in. Unfortunately this doesn't fit Poofter, who claimed he had a shot after the reveal of vanillas. Why would he fire now that he knew that he could just slip by as a vanilla and save the shot for the coup degrace? So yeah, still read town on Poof. Vayne on the other hand is my number 1 target as of now, his willingness to reveal his importance in a manner detrimental to town suggests hes scum and his bilief in all power roles suggests he knows something we dont, which is likely that all scum are power roles. Ergo hes scum. Lynch with fire, for Caller! Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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So watcha yall think of ma theory and whose up for killing the selfish president tomorrow? | ||
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On May 10 2014 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote: lololol dat gumshoe scumclaim. Looks like we either already lost or we're pretty close to it because obviously gumshoe was literally waiting around to *just* not be modkilled, even though he knew doing that would make him look about as bad as you can get. What an asshole way to play. Not that wisdom of the crowds is ever going to work on this site, but gumshoe you're on my blacklist. You've lurked your way straight out of my heart. I usually build up a post a few hours before lynch with my main thoughts yet cant seem to get them out before my death is certain ) : I am sorry Wos, I am a very lazy person but not a bad one. Please dont take your frustrations this game out on me. | ||
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On May 10 2014 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe, do me a favour. Shut up, go away, and at least have the decency to enjoy your victory in silence. What fuckin victory? I was about to be lynched/die just like in doctor and catastrophe and just like those games I flooded my thoughts in last second to give town something instead of jack all (and to slack my guilt a smidge) I get your pissed, but I'm not scum and your bieng a dick. | ||
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