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/in, im up for a nice small game.
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On March 26 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 05:05 Palmar wrote:
Policy lynching anyone with less than 9 pages of filter day 1, regardless of my alignment. Well you can just say "lynch gumshoe". 
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Helop, I'm all for finding scum and what not, but I propose due effort be put forth in regards to the installation of a puppet ruler/Champaign, no lone mafia player deserves to hoard the belt. I say we thrust it upon robicks waist, he is still an outsider, none of our ilk would ever truly acknowledge his supremacy, he will require advisors... What say town to a tyranny secretly ruled by a plutocracy?
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On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?
He is an outsider in part. Of tl, and yet not of tl, he would make a fine puppet. I said as much in the post : P
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On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.
Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment?
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On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.
But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me.
Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / :
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On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.
Eh, my attention is on robick for virtually no reason, maybe were scum together, bam, easy / : took me 5 seconds, and obviously you weren't that stalwart in your suspicion because you conceded there was a point to the questionafter one response from Rayn. Maybe your just trying to kick start the thread, but I highly doubt you really put much stock in what youve said so far / :
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On March 26 2014 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:58 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me. Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / : wait what? Asking questions is scummy because it makes mafia gain town credit? What kinda shitlogic is this?
MEGA LOGIC Im saying his question was dumb, which is funny because he accused you of much the same, and the only outcome of that question was that you would answer it and come off looking strong, regardless of your alignment.
Whereas your question was directed at someone (me) known to crack under pressure as scum and who had done so in a game you and palmer had just played. That question was perfectly fine.
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On March 26 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia?
I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that.
The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm.
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On March 26 2014 09:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:58 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me. Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / : You're assuming I think rayn is smarter than me. I did not consider the option that you might panic and overexplain, or any other scenario that makes the question reasonable, thus I wanted to find out if rayn had considered any scenario where him questioning you might lead to something. Please explain how it was harmful.
I assumed you thought Rayn was smart, not smarter, in fact my whole issue with you is I know how smart you actually are ( : I find your question harmful because you must have expected him to answer with ease, which in no way benefits town if hes scum.
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On March 26 2014 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:06 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:58 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me. Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / : wait what? Asking questions is scummy because it makes mafia gain town credit? What kinda shitlogic is this? MEGA LOGIC Im saying his question was dumb, which is funny because he accused you of much the same, and the only outcome of that question was that you would answer it and come off looking strong, regardless of your alignment. Whereas your question was directed at someone (me) known to crack under pressure as scum and who had done so in a game you and palmer had just played. That question was perfectly fine. I am pretty sure Palmar did not accuse me of anything.
If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.
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On March 26 2014 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll reword the question:
Do you think he is scummy because;
1) he is asking useless question, or
2) he took my answer at face value?
In my opinion these are different things and you have now said both of them.
1) Yes
2) Yes
Because the two are intwined, the question implied he had a difficult time understanding your inquiry, something hard to bilieve in of itself, and the acceptance was almost immediate, thereby showing his confusion was weak at best.
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On March 26 2014 09:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that. The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm. If you believe this, should you not be voting for him? What is the alternate, townie explanation for not being genuine but trying to appear so?
Trying to kick start the game, countless times, people have had meaningless conversation just to get things going. He may be doing that now, if you are Palmer wouldn't mind some confirmation / : Also I only ninja vote. Dems the breaks / :
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On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine?
I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons
1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question.
2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer.
3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant.
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On March 26 2014 09:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll reword the question:
Do you think he is scummy because;
1) he is asking useless question, or
2) he took my answer at face value?
In my opinion these are different things and you have now said both of them. 1) Yes 2) Yes Because the two are intwined, the question implied he had a difficult time understanding your inquiry, something hard to bilieve in of itself, and the acceptance was almost immediate, thereby showing his confusion was weak at best. I claim that the answer was really short and I'm a fast reader!
The multitude of answers to your questions were so vast, I dont doubt youd easily recant regardless rayns response. I claim you knew this outcome, so why ask the question. Let me ask you Palmer, what answer were you looking for out of Rayn? What response would have made you think hes scum?
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On March 26 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that. The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm. See gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question?
I did ( : but thats just cause I'm me. You claim palmer was trying to figure you out, but as I qouted earlier
If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.
He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.
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On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons 1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question. 2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer. 3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant. If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe
Not necessarily ( : if you ask the question to kick start town, which you stated you were trying to do, then your town, albiet deceitful, so answer me, is that what you were doing?
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On March 26 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:40 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons 1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question. 2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer. 3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant. If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe Not necessarily ( : if you ask the question to kick start town, which you stated you were trying to do, then your town, albiet deceitful, so answer me, is that what you were doing? I already asked you, what do you think?
I asked first.
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On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy".
He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.
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On March 26 2014 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the same thing as my question to you:
"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one."
Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's?
Because my history indicates that such line of questioning is effective against me, whereas such a question directed against you would only make you look stronger regardless of alignment. If hes town, asking that question does him little good. I dont think town palmer would find you scummy for your question, and if he did he wouldnt ask a question that improves your position if your scum 99 out of 100 times. Therefore he is not genuine.
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