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On March 26 2014 12:14 IAmRobik wrote: end of page 6: Sqrt is town. He's talking to himself. It's very nonchalant. I like it. On March 26 2014 12:16 IAmRobik wrote: I like this post a lot. Valenius is both interrogating OK and giving answers simultaneously about what reads like genuine beliefs. Town lean. Both of these posts are terrible. Talking to oneself as a joke at game start literally doesn't mean anything about alignment at all. And while it's good that Valenius is asking questions to clarify what OnceKing meant -- perhaps even town-leaning -- there are no "genuine beliefs" stated in this post except to policy lynch inactives in absence of reads, which again doesn't say anything about alignment. Furthermore what is actually wrong about what OnceKing is doing? He said he would preferentially lynch lurkers, everything else being the same, and he's trying to convince you guys to do it as well. That's not a mafia trait. It's probably null; leans very slight town for actually trying to get people to go with him, but I wouldn't clear him off of it. On March 26 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote: And yeah, I think you're scummy for saying that and not doing it. And yet he's not voting for OnceKing. Guess what? I think you're scummy for saying that and not doing it. | ||
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- Pixalated is correct to point out that OK brought the game out of the joke phase and now that I'm reading his last couple posts I'm nodding in agreement. Slight town lean because his thought process is following mine pretty well. Wouldn't clear him based off that but it's fine for a few hours in. - OnceKing town lean for now, moved the game out of the joke phase, Robik tried pushing an opportunistic lynch on him; I think Robik is scum and busing his teammate so early is stupid. - Cavalinho arguably looks worse than Robik for just echoing Robik's bad points and promising to go reread an old game then not posting any findings. | ||
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On March 26 2014 13:45 IAmRobik wrote: I respectfully disagree with what you are saying Eden. Clearing people for my perceived notion of town vs mafia play is not terrible -- it's how I play the game. Then the way you play the game is terrible. None of your reads make any logical sense and frankly look manufactured. | ||
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What's sticking out is your "Do it instead of say it" mentality toward OK. I completely agree with it. The problem is (a) OnceKing is doing it, by trying to convince people to accept his attitude toward lurkers he's creating an environment that will allow him to push the lurker lynch once it comes up should it come up; and (b) you're not taking your own advice, asking people to pressure others and telling people to do instead of say and then not voting your scum read. It's also strange to me that you say my thoughts are logical but my conclusion is wrong. That can only be true if I'm missing a crucial piece of information that would change the logic of my thoughts and lead me to the right conclusion. Obviously to an extent I am since I don't have your alignment, but assuming you are town, there should be a town explanation for the discrepancy between "do don't say" and not voting the scumread. What is it? | ||
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It's fine that you don't vote your scum read right off the bat, it's just weird to me that you criticize OK for not voting an inactive when you've just acknowledged there are extenuating circumstances to the very principle you're using to criticize him. And I'm not talking about meta arguments here; that's just moving the issue back a step. The question isn't "do you do this as town?" it's "why do you do this as town?" Talk to me a little bit about the rationale behind your approach to the game; I'm feeling better here but I want to get in your head a little more before I pull my vote. | ||
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Robik is town, guys. You need to move off of him and find a real target. ##UNVOTE IAmRobik Fortunately, I have one. Cavalinho was blatantly riffing off of Robik's emphatic response to OK's post. I think it's textbook mafia play just to follow an enthusiastic town player like he's done. His questions to OK sucked and reeked of someone trying too hard to find fault with something that isn't faulty. And Robik's right. Do, don't say. I don't give a damn if you tell us you're going to look at OK's previous games to "see if he did any weird shit like this before." ##VOTE Cavalinho | ||
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What OnceKing did wasn't "weird" at all. You kept and keep pushing the idea that it is while refusing to talk about how it's weird or how it being weird matters. It reeks of someone trying to spread doubt and confusion instead of clarifying the game state. Your questioning him was awkward and looked like you were trying to look like you were getting something done without really doing anything helpful. You haven't been trying to help us find scum, you've just been making unhelpful comments about how weird someone's play is or references to past games that we aren't playing. | ||
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Again it's not that he said OnceKing's start was weird, it's that he didn't do anything to figure out why it was weird or tell us how it was weird. He asked OK why OK made a post about policy lynching lurkers, OK said it was to get the town out of RVS. That's not weird. Cavalinho didn't bother to respond to him and then kept repeating himself about how weird it was. No explanation as to why or how that's weird, no attempt to develop OK's response, nothing. His questions didn't have any apparent direction or purpose to them. He asked OK why OK made the post, OK gave a good answer aaaand... Cavalinho drops it like a hot potato. No follow up? Nothing? Why are we supposed to be convinced that OK is weird or scum or whatever when you're just asking questions to ask them and not developing any insights from them? He asserts that he was asking questions because he didn't understand what was going on, but you'll notice that he doesn't acknowledge OK's answer at all. Instead he starts playing reactively, answering OK's questions and then dropping the line of discussion. That's not what people do when they're trying to understand what's going on. He vaguely talks around the issue right before I prodded him, saying that he thinks OK's start was still weird, but that he "[doesn't] have any real reason to think [OK] is mafia" because of his "last accusatory post" (what post is this?) and he "seems townie, getting information and generally being one of those obvious town players" (this doesn't actually say anything about why he doesn't think OK is mafia; we know that he wouldn't think that because he thinks OK seems town, why does he?) I also happen to think his OMGUS vote is him trying to look innocent because he's aware of his meta (not the post beforehand he noted that Robik townread him in a previous game because he OMGUS'd then), but that can go either way. What's telling is that he fails to develop his vote, he just puts it down and insists it'll be me or him today. That's dumb and not what a town player should be doing. Cavalinho is my best read for mafia right now. | ||
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