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On February 06 2014 09:09 Balla24 wrote:
fuck this game let's go full themed non try hard retardedly unbalanced game for funsies, tonight has me laughing so hard that i'm not even motivated to play a serious game hahaha
I claim Harry Potter.
EDIT: LOL I JUST HEARD SIDESPRANG'S COACH WAS HOLYFLARE FUCK I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING.
wait my coach was holyflare? news to me
EDIT: I'm fine to /out and /replace again in favour of OdinOfPergo, if he'd like a starting slot.
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hihi
@jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes.
However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm.
Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game?
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On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
hihi
@jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes.
However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm.
Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well.
That's not really what I asked.
I wanted to know whether there are any other posts, or patterns in posts, or anything about Koshi which makes you think that he's not excited to be playing this game - since your justification for that view seems a little shallow so far to me.
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On February 07 2014 09:07 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:04 Aquanim wrote:On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
hihi
@jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes.
However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm.
Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. That's not really what I asked. I wanted to know whether there are any other posts, or patterns in posts, or anything about Koshi which makes you think that he's not excited to be playing this game - since your justification for that view seems a little shallow so far to me. What I posted in my big case. Is what I feel was relevant in the part of Koshi not being excited enough. So yes that's it. That's not the only thing that makes him scummy though. Look at how he has no real read on me. Even tho he voted me and I'm pressuring the shit out of him. He never stated whether he thought i was scum or town. Similar to last game and how Oats was pressuring him early on. And he never really was concrete on any read on Oats. What do you think of Ball and Koshi atm?
Balla
- first post and vote for me obviously a pre-game concoction, duly ignored
- pressure on jayb and others seems reasonable enough, he's not being shy about his opinions.
Koshi
- gut says town just based on the attitude he's displayed so far, but I hope to see more content
I can kind of see why they both voted for you (jay) here - like, I don't think that post inherently makes you scum, but I can understand how their knee-jerk reaction was to vote you for it. Bland, self-deprecating and non-scum-hunting-related posts often draw knee-jerk reactions like that.
tl;dr leaning town on balla, closer to null on koshi
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@suki: What is your read on jayB and koshi, in the light of their little contretemps?
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never mind, looks like you answered that question already. my bad
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New question @suki: What about Balla's posts changed your mind about him between here:
On February 07 2014 07:19 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:18 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Balla
This guy is thinking nothing like me this game : / ##unvote
##vote Ballalegit.
and here:
On February 07 2014 08:54 suki wrote:
King Balla is my King, chosen by the almighty God of Mafia Artanis[Xp] himself.
His Name shall not by tainted by scummy accusations.
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hi Hopeless. Any impressions of the thread so far? Anything at all really, I just want to have a chat.
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On February 07 2014 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
They aren't scummy yet. But its similar to how people who drone on incessantly about policy or setup speculation are more likely to be scum. Continuing to talk about the previous game without drawing conclusions about what it means in this game is scummy. Agree/Disagree?
i.e. I brought it up because I saw it becoming a circlejerk
I don't disagree with your point Hopeless but I think discussing it much further is counterproductive, we'll just end up debating policy about policy... which is even worse.
Did jayb's case on Koshi convince you at all?
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On February 07 2014 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:44 Aquanim wrote:On February 07 2014 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
They aren't scummy yet. But its similar to how people who drone on incessantly about policy or setup speculation are more likely to be scum. Continuing to talk about the previous game without drawing conclusions about what it means in this game is scummy. Agree/Disagree?
i.e. I brought it up because I saw it becoming a circlejerk I don't disagree with your point Hopeless but I think discussing it much further is counterproductive, we'll just end up debating policy about policy... which is even worse. Did jayb's case on Koshi convince you at all? The only case to be made on Koshi is going to be based on his activity, especially around the lynch. Town Koshi gives a shit and makes moves. Scum Koshi aims to sit back and take credit.
Fair enough. Anything you'd like to discuss with me? (Catch up with the thread first, by all means.)
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On February 07 2014 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
read on JayB Aqua? If hes town then who is most likely scum?
I reckon JayB is probably the most likely to flip scum so far. I really didn't like the feel of his case on Koshi:
- the point about Koshi's enthusiasm correlated with his alignment strikes me as the kind of thing a scum would jump on, but wouldn't convince a townie jayB. Particularly since he's based it all on Koshi's first post (which didn't read as particularly enthusiastic, or unenthusiastic, to me) and couldn't back it up with anything else.
- His only other reason why Koshi is scum is that Koshi had a gut scum read on one of jayB's posts, as far as I can tell. Which is a pretty thin reason to scumread someone, and is reflective of a mentality which is more worried about how he looks than about catching scum.
For reference, it's not the fact that he made a case so early that makes me scumread him, it's the content of the case.
That being said, I'd prefer to give him a chance to redeem himself rather than driving some wagon of justice this early.
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What about you Oats, what's your read on him?
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On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.
Can you specify exactly which of the things you said you think are completely true?
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Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki
Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct
Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions.
I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games.
I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any?
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On February 07 2014 12:23 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ? I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S
It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far.
Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far?
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On February 07 2014 12:33 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:30 Aquanim wrote:On February 07 2014 12:23 sidesprang wrote:On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ? I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far. Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far? Just from memory, she scum hunts as scum and her scumgame resembles her towngame. Neither of which resemble this game at all. I've never seen her this trolly and happy, but that just be because of the way the game opened, how I opened etc. We know each other somewhat out of mafia, so it totally fits with her personality, but I can't compare this game to any of her previous games. Essentially, her scumgame doesn't resemble this at all, so your meta argument I don't believe holds true. We'll see how she follows up.
Whether her play here resembles her scumgame isn't the point. Scumgames change - towngames tend not to as much.
Hell, the meta wasn't really the point at all - it was supplementary to the argument. The point is that Suki has done very little that I think would aid her in making reads on anyone, if she were town.
That being said, if you think that this more relaxed/trolly posture from a town Suki is possible based on your personal knowledge, I'll take that into consideration.
I definitely want to see what Suki has to say about the point Oats has raised.
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@jayb: Do you think it's impossible or unlikely that a town Koshi would have a gut read on you which he is unwilling or unable to state more precisely than that he thinks you feel "off"?
I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird.
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@Balla's thoughts on JonnyLaw:
Your first point I'm not sold on, since the post of yours which he quoted did contain some reference to the probability stuff: "...I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is". Sure, there may have been actual content in your post too, but calling out your continuing usage of your mathematical mumbo-jumbo isn't too bad from him. I don't see how finding one of your later trolly posts to be funny is too inconsistent with that, either.
Jonny indeed has a lot of irrelevant posts, that's true.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at regarding Jonny "picking" at things, could you elaborate on this some more?
As for him not reading the thread, people make mistakes sometimes.
Conclusion: some interesting points raised but nothing which draws me much away from null on jonny.
also weary is not the same thing as wary
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On February 07 2014 14:08 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 13:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Balla's thoughts on JonnyLaw:
Your first point I'm not sold on, since the post of yours which he quoted did contain some reference to the probability stuff: "...I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is". Sure, there may have been actual content in your post too, but calling out your continuing usage of your mathematical mumbo-jumbo isn't too bad from him. I don't see how finding one of your later trolly posts to be funny is too inconsistent with that, either.
Jonny indeed has a lot of irrelevant posts, that's true.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at regarding Jonny "picking" at things, could you elaborate on this some more?
As for him not reading the thread, people make mistakes sometimes.
Conclusion: some interesting points raised but nothing which draws me much away from null on jonny.
also weary is not the same thing as wary The thing is completely ignoring it just because it has a joke about it is silly. Saying it's distracting is also silly, considering it was again, the first scum-hunty post of the game. I find it very inconsistent, but we will agree to disagree here haha. Jonny LOVES LOVES LOVES to pick at people making excuses for their play. Did you look at the quotes in the spoilers. Those are from his 2 recent town games. He picks at VE for "making excuses already" and goes as far as to vote for it super super super early. In the other game, he picks at 2 different people for making excuses like that. Goes so far as to say he would kill one of them for it. In his scumgame, he says Mocsta (his scummate) is making excuses, but only says it "could be scummy". Pretty much the same thing he did here in regards to jay "it's scummy but does that make him scum?". This is pretty big to me.
There wasn't anything in your post addressed to him, I see no reason for him to respond to the content there really. As such I don't find it suspicious that he only responded to the trolly part.
I see what you're getting at now with the picking at excuses thing. As an association case I would not really put any weight on it until one of them flips, though.
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We do, however, agree that there's a fair bit of useless fluff in his filter that I hope will be trimmed in the future if he's town.
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