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Working on a post about who I AM interested in. | ||
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Why, you ask? Well, let's take a look at his last game as town: The Game There are a couple of things we can notice from his filter that are already different from his few posts in this game: 1) The length and analysis of his posts in general. Yea, he had some smaller posts, but for the most part he was in there getting his hands dirty and trying to figure the game out despite not really posting a lot. What I mean is, when he did post, he was contributing meaningful things to the thread. He was question people, making points about a lot of people, etc etc. This game, literally the only thing he has talked about was VE, and even then he's just parroting other people's points into a big post to justify his vote. Pre-Edit: I will note that I did like this part of his VE case, which gives me a slight pause, but it's not enough, IMO. zarepath wrote: Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge. 2) Now, for the kicker. Look at how he votes and pushes his scum reads. Hint: he doesn't. He limps in to every vote with some bit of analysis, and then no pressure whatsoever because he doesn't trust his votes. He bounces around talking about a bunch of different people without ever focusing on a singular read. In short, he doesn't tunnel like...ever. TL;DR Zarepath made a convenient case parroting other people's points about VE as soon as thread sentiment starting turning towards VE and has done nothing but tunnel him with very little actual analysis or attempt to figure the game out, which is completely the opposite of how zarepath played as town in the past. He be scum, yo. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is saying bum slipped because he implies he knows VE is town because if VE is scum he would not possibly be wrong about WileE as he would know his alignment. I don't trust these "scumslips". arguing about semantics is dumb imo. Right. The slip was in regards to VE being town, while simultaneously arguing about VE being scum. But I agree about "scumslips" in general, and it's a weak argument anyways. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:08 kushm4sta wrote: @BARRISTAN WHAT THE F has bum done that's town since then? Hold your fucking horses, I'm responding to zarepath first. | ||
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On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: @Barristan 1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened. That's fine. I'm not particularly worried about how *much* you post, but the content inside of then. Your posts in The Game were full of content, your posts this far here have not been. On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization. About the parroting: I was attributing points made by other people against other players as points made against VE and you just repeating them. That was a mistake on my part. However, in doing research for this post, I noticed something else that caught my attention. In your case against VE you say: On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: 2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming + Show Spoiler + This seemed like another very easy thing to do, but in his accusation he doesn't really explain why it's scummy, just that "it's all bad." It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did. Okay, so just attacking someone without explaining why those things you're attacking are scummy is scummy itself? But: On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: 3. Defensive tone + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the question. Or the accusation. On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum. It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes? On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that. 4. Wishy-washy demeanor + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned. 5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim. Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? Note the lack of reasoning for his agreement, but the suggestion that others should talk about it Nowhere in there are you explaining WHY those things are scummy. I mean, if an obvious contradiction needs an explanation for why it's scummy, then your arguments need an explanation for why they are scummy. This is partly why your case got ignored. You can't call someone scummy for something and then do the same thing yourself. Note: I actually disagree with all of these points anyways, not that it matters. VE did get defensive later, but not in those quotes. Nor would I call those other quotes wishy-washy. And your "Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans" is a gross over-exaggeration. The quote in question happened when EVERYONE was talking about the plans. It wasn't like it happened an hour before your case or something after everyone had dropped it. You're just writing a narrative to build a case. On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: 2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote. The point is, I'm not comparing your vote to VE's vote. I'm comparing your vote and your attack pattern on YOUR OWN votes and attack patterns from the past, and there's a pretty stark difference. | ||
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RE bum - There's not any one thing that actually makes me not interested in him right now, but more of his attitude. It's pretty ballsy to OMGUS one (rayn) and straight out attack another (VE) of the "best" players in the game if you're (relatively?) new at scum. He's got a carefree attitude that I only attribute to the best of scum players, and almost certainly not newbie scum. | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:07 kushm4sta wrote: he has been playing on this site for 7 years ve said i think Playing for 7 years does not mean he's not a newbie. It just means he doesn't play often. Also I dunno how often he's rolled scum, I should go check. | ||
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Interesting. I'll do some digging around. | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:53 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i don't think zarepath is mafia. I think it would be weird for mafia to say something like that. Why's that? | ||
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Meh, inconclusive. + Show Spoiler + I wish I hadn't been gone so long  | ||
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If so, what does your hypothetical scum Crossfire gain from throwing out that rather weak case post against rayn? What's his goal with it? | ||
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On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote: The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves. On January 21 2014 22:20 zarepath wrote: To me, it all added up to him being mafia. Maybe I overreacted to what I thought was a pattern of focus on how others perceived him, all the tonal things I mentioned. That early in the game it's hard to have real proof, but of everyone who'd participated, VE just seemed scummy. Some parts of my case have continued (switching votes without any real explanation as to why -- such as unvoting bum out of the blue after several pages of trying to get EVERYONE to talk about him) but in retrospect, I may have been tunneling. I will have to step back for a bit. I still am suspicious of him but maybe that is bias, so I'm going to step back and renew my reads on everyone now. ##Unvote VisceraEyes So basically what you're saying is that you're not a real townie? | ||
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