Heimer and Evelynn seem like the 2 strongest roles in the hands of mafia that don't help town as much. Heimer potentially gives 2 extra kp a night and isn't as good for town, since we don't know alignments. Evelynn is kp and avoids watchers/trackers, pretty much the only kp role that is only good for mafia and not town.

#Ban Evelynn

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 30 2013 20:29 GMT

#507

Actually Urgot is insanely good for mafia.

#unvote

#Ban Urgot

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 01 2013 04:43 GMT

#637

I picked 12/1. Great number choice!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 01 2013 23:53 GMT

#830

I don't mind the mass claim idea. One of the concerns usually with this is that mafia will fake claim some of the stronger town roles (like dt) and then pick a mafia role But considering there aren't as many purely strong town roles and almost every role has some viability this seems like a decent idea and it just creates a large trail where dedicated townies can look for inconsistencies with what people are claiming. Forcing mafia to make tons of possible fake claims will probably lead to mistakes.

The only problem is this has been proposed pretty late. Not sure you will get people to agree to it this late in the day. But sign me up.

Also, I am sick as balls right now and have been since the game started. I will continue to post very little until I have recovered some.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 15:32 GMT

#2012

Caught up

Koshi if you can't make a vote list check can you make the invention sandroba suggested (checking how many mafia picked each number)? Seems strong but not as op as a vote check list.

I am fully on board the kill bum express.

1) Put a ton of effort into the setup but little effort once the game actually begins. This is fairly common for mafia to appear like they are contributing in a pro town manner, if you look at how much work bum put into his plan (researching and referencing radfields plan etc) and compare it to what hes done in the last 48 hours it looks pretty bad. He made 1 okish case against jcarl but then has just coasted since then. Has he even looked at another person besides jcarl?

2) Stupid logic regarding LSB/reaction to sandroba's pressure. Thinks LSB is mafia but doesn't want to lynch him because he could be village idiot what? Says LSB's power likely makes him survive a lynch (very few powers let you survive a lynch way more likely it just lets him survive kp like poppys, if this is even his other power), Bum should know this. But still votes LSB after he is pressured and he tripped himself up by saying he thinks LSB is mafia. You can see after sandroba pressured bum he started bullshitting, realized it was terrible, changed his vote and then just completely disappears, but did it in an incredibly wishy washy way saying everyone will be sorry when LSB survives the lynch. If he actually believes that why did he cave and vote LSB.

3) His read on jcarl doesn't make sense. Why is Bum so completely 100% sure jcarl is mafia? Bum after making his case against jcarl just tunnels him 100%. He at no point evaluates new information to alter his read. When LSB first calls him SK his instant reaction is to say LSB is scum defending jcarls powerful role. He refuses to roleclaim but he is so certain jcarl is mafia that he will roleclaim if jcarl does. And even after saying he thinks LSB is mafia he still tries to push the jcarl lynch. The bum/jcarl interactions just feel a bit off to me.

On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Sandro, I see your case for bum, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm wary to get behind it because I'm worried that my opinion is a bit heavily influenced by OMGUS and I would be totally ok with seeing him go.

Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum.

I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 15:34 GMT

#2013

It is also really shady that austin is not around. From what I have seen austin puts in a ton of effort as town. He also posted in his other game a full day after he last posted in this one. So no excuse for him to be gone so long when he is on TL and still reading the other game.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 16:47 GMT

#2044

Bum what made you think I was town?

And I am interested in hearing your answer to marv's question. Bit strange that you haven't asked jcarl a single question.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 21:19 GMT

#2155

Rean looks pretty terrible. Comes in 4 minutes after marv calls him out to respond, so seems to be actively reading the thread but posts nothing at all besides yelling at Roffles for being mean.

Rean what do you think about the current lynch candidates? Who do you plan on voting for?

Also where is supersoft. I would have expected him to be around by now and commenting on current events. His only case this game has been against LSB who he called scum but then he proceeded to say he isn't sure if he should be lynched today in the same post? He also said he was going to go do some meta research on him, did you ever do any of that super?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 23:00 GMT

#2184

Jay can you explain why you tried to take lux with the 2nd to last pick. You thought nobody would try to take pretty much the only cop role not banned out?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 23:13 GMT

#2186

VE do you think bum is mafia? You are switching off of LSB just because you are lazy or what?

Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 03 2013 23:59 GMT

#2196

On December 04 2013 08:39 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ye I'm going to point out I don't think VE was lazy on the bum vote at all.
My interpretation of his post on the previous few pages is that he'd honestly rather lynch LSB.

Well he may want to rather lynch LSB but he gave up with 4 hours still left in the day. Seems pretty lazy to me.

I get a bit nervous when 13 out of the last 14 votes (not counting bum) are all for one guy and the thread is this dead this close to lynch. Still tho could just be that mafia don't have a good thread presence or the stronger players aren't around or they want to bus, etc etc. I am sticking with bum since the case is strongest against him but some discussion would be nice.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 00:33 GMT

#2222

On December 04 2013 09:01 geript wrote:

I'm going to pull up jaybrundage again and have another real go at him. You mind looking at him with me. Also, mind suggesting someone you think I should look at?

If we work on the basis that marv is probable town then his attacking marv looks decent. Marv seems like a very bad target for a guy who has lurked a lot and barely posted.

But the fact that he has contributed nothing then just comes in and says he likes LSB's post so hes voting bum is pretty bad. Especially since all his other posts were just about Marv. Also, I would really like to hear from him about why he tried to take Lux. Lux is such an easy thing for mafia to fake claim they took since it was taken high in the draft and should be a pro town role.

Jay if you read this what do you think about Marv now?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 00:42 GMT

#2233

Yea just read it. If that was jay's plan (attack you for town cred) would he just instantly say it in the thread? And most mafia players have heightened self awareness if they say in thread if I lurk I am mafia they don't generally just lurk afterwards. Seems pretty shallow and dumb. Then again if he fake claimed Lux with the 2nd to last pick that is pretty dumb also. Such a dumb claim.

I will say though him focusing you then coming in and liking LSB's post for why bum is mafia when LSB probably had the weakest points is also pretty bad. One other thing, I asked him if he could explain why he took Lux. He disappeared and didn't answer but then later on did vote in the voting thread. So either he is very lazy and isn't even reading the thread this close to lynch or he is actively lurking.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 00:45 GMT

#2235

Does anyone have experience with jay's town game and how much effort he generally puts in?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 01:05 GMT

#2257

Bum you mentioned earlier that you don't have a scum oriented role. 2 hours before you are lynched would be a pretty good time to claim it.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 01:21 GMT

#2279

So bum you picked Lux also? Were you not concerned that at 15 the only cop in the game would probably be gone?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 04 2013 01:26 GMT

#2290

Bum in your plan you wrote out for everyone you ranked lux as the #1 town role (outside of the top 6). You had it going possibly at #7. Didn't you consider that very likely that role would not make it to 15?