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Hi thread. I am still not completely caught up and won't manage to do so this evening. I will constantly be active for several hours well before deadline when I arrive at home tomorrow. That's a promise.
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What I am/was thinking when I last read is probably not up to date right now. I know I did not like Hopeless that much for several small reasons (defending gracks unwillingness to create a pickup line - which to me is perfectly fine by grack as he stated it - by jumping to conclusions about his motivation, telling skanjab to take a break when he got more invested - how can you read people if you tell them to retreat and carefully think about what they are saying?, a badly/weak reasoned townread on Mocsta) and I did like LAs reasoning. I did not like the strong townread the hydra was offering Pandain in our qt too.
I won't research about this in detail right now because it only takes away time I could use reading the thread but that's what stood out the most to me.
No really strong reads though.
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On October 18 2013 06:48 StorrZerg wrote:
Also can people stop with the outside bull? making an excues for not posting, or being busy, sleepy what ever.
if your to busy get replaced talk to the mod, don't complain about it. if your tired then sleep and get back to the game when your fresh. seriously guys...
We all have lives outside of tl mafia. so just stop.
That's exactly what I will be doing but people asked me at least in the qt.
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Caught up.
Palmar if you are town please don't limit yourself to this SAM thing - yeah I get that you have to make this a primary topic... I am not in the position to critisize someone for not having the time to read the thread but if you do please give us some other thoughts. I did not read many of your games but I watched the video of hero mafia and I am sure you have some useful things to share if you read the thread.
I really don't see the point in limiting yourself to Mocsta discussion...
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I'm here. Catching up now.
Will be available from now until deadline so feel free to ask questions.
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I won't vote before I read everything.
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I am up to date now. First some comments:
On October 18 2013 22:03 syllogism wrote:
Lynching justanothertownie is a decent alternative. Zero useful content and him complaining about Palmar after he had finished catching up is quite suspicious. He didn't even suggest that Palmar is mafia for his focus on Mocsta. In Noir he was, as town, chatty and active. He promised for more content before the deadline so lets see how that works out.
I was chatting and active because I had a shitload of time. I did hardly have any time this game. This will change for the weekend - if I am still not talkative by then you can lynch me for that. Lynching me right now is a bad idea. Also my play generally sucks Day1 btw.
On October 19 2013 02:02 LastArgument wrote:I will be phoneposting at best for the next couple of hours, I'm hoping to be back at a computer before deadline. Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi thread. I am still not completely caught up and won't manage to do so this evening. I will constantly be active for several hours well before deadline when I arrive at home tomorrow. That's a promise. I don't like broken promises.
I didn't break the promise. I am here and will respond if you want to talk until deadline and I will be posting some reads soon. I just thought I would be able to get home 1-2 hours earlier.
On October 19 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways:
I am going to re-read Cephiro now.
I'm still keen on a zaragon lynch, but i can understand why no one else is. its quite a personal read.
Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3.
Matt is looking better/more-involved currently as well- which is good.
As I said. You can't compare my Day1 play to Noir because I simply did not have any time until now.
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The Cephiro lynch seems fine to me. I am surprised how hopeless disappeared from peoples minds though. Yesterday I thought he looked quite scummy. I will read his filter and give a few reasons for that. I will vote Cephiro (will also read what he said in the qt again) if it is necessary. I definitely think he is a better lynch than Sn0.
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On October 19 2013 03:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote:
Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3. Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
As I said. You can't compare my Day1 play to Noir because I simply did not have any time until now.
Actually my gripe with you is that, even with much less posts than noir- you have been more forthcoming this game. (ironic i know) Further the content is on a different tangent to noir. i feel very strongly about this, even with a quick skim of your filter now. noir felt like you were holding something back.. which i later proved was the case. i think that read ascended above you being a blue role. i.e. i think the mindset would largely hold if you were green this game. short story is: so far im not getting that feeling about you, which makes me have reservations about you. i.e. You need to start contributing more.
Your argument is wrong. But I can see your thought process.
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On October 19 2013 04:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
To be fair to ceph, nobody has great reasons for him being scum other than poorly substantiated meta and some confirmation bias along the lines of "well if he is scum I think he'd play like this".
I mean, sure his scumhunting isn't there but WHOSE IS?
I mean, I'd be somewhat pissed to discover that many votes on me when the key argument is "lurking" and there are players like Stutters and JAT and BH and more contributing equally little.
On the other hand, meta may still be a reason and I'm not sure who else we lynch (not palmar people). This is NOTHING to do with meta. He posted 1 post at the time, cast suspicion on people that already had suspicion on themselves, he posted a few other names that were not mentioned by anyone else but then never followed up on them. Half of his post was explaining himself Rayn made an excellent point: Here about it.
It has everything to do with meta. Did you have a look at Noir? This looks like that. The stuff someone posted about his aperture play looks wildly different.
Cephiro stop defending yourself and tell us who should be lynched instead of you.
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On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote:
This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon Yet your vote is still on him.
Do you think scum would try to save him now?
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On October 19 2013 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote:On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote:
This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon Yet your vote is still on him. Do you think scum would try to save him now? Good scum probably would.
It would be pretty bold because they would need to pull a miracle defense and if it fails they would look really really bad. You could argue there should have been someone defending him way earlier though.
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I reread Hopeless and am way less convinced than yesterday. If someone is interested in my reasoning I can post it but since he obviously won't be lynched I think this should be postponed for now.
##Vote: Cephiro
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On October 19 2013 04:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On October 19 2013 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote:On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote:
This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon Yet your vote is still on him. Do you think scum would try to save him now? Good scum probably would. It would be pretty bold because they would need to pull a miracle defense and if it fails they would look really really bad. You could argue there should have been someone defending him way earlier though. Are you inferring Palmar?
Didn't think about that but it would be possible.
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That's what I was going to write:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? I still think this is weird. As I said before gracks behaviour is perfectly fine in my opinion so that's not the problem but hopeless just jumps in and defends him. He just takes a wild guess at gracks motivation without letting the guy explain it himself. In what way does that make sense as town? On October 17 2013 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 09:02 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 08:53 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not FoSing him why even mention what he is doing in a post? That's pointless. He points something out. You say the logic that's going through your mind of why you did it, you move on and do some scum hunting. That would be the natural course of events? You're pointing out that what I said was pointless in a post where I point out what he was said was pointless. Really now. He's telling you the reasoning behind his actions. He's pointing out new information that we could not have unless we were in his house QT that he deemed not very relevant but we MAY. It's the divulgence which is useful. To call his post pointless was dismissing these facts. I am calling out the fact that you seem against deciphering new information. All information is good information. Please tell me how any read whatsoever could be divulged from the information that he shared? That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment? On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one.
skanj, re your ( Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority This is really really bad. First I think Vayne is known for trolling/being useless as town (especially Day1). This is a useless policy vote and I can't remember seeing a game where Vayne trolled like that as scum. Since that he only came in the thread to switch to Cephiro - the only strong wagon. He basically avoided trying to find scum and instead went on about policies the whole game while actually being in the thread.
I realize that this is pretty much it. I really thought I saw some more things I didn't like yesterday but I couldn't find them again today.
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On October 19 2013 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT?
Try again.
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On October 19 2013 04:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:That's what I was going to write: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? I still think this is weird. As I said before gracks behaviour is perfectly fine in my opinion so that's not the problem but hopeless just jumps in and defends him. He just takes a wild guess at gracks motivation without letting the guy explain it himself. In what way does that make sense as town? On October 17 2013 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 09:02 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 08:53 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not FoSing him why even mention what he is doing in a post? That's pointless. He points something out. You say the logic that's going through your mind of why you did it, you move on and do some scum hunting. That would be the natural course of events? You're pointing out that what I said was pointless in a post where I point out what he was said was pointless. Really now. He's telling you the reasoning behind his actions. He's pointing out new information that we could not have unless we were in his house QT that he deemed not very relevant but we MAY. It's the divulgence which is useful. To call his post pointless was dismissing these facts. I am calling out the fact that you seem against deciphering new information. All information is good information. Please tell me how any read whatsoever could be divulged from the information that he shared? That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment? On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one.
skanj, re your ( Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority This is really really bad. First I think Vayne is known for trolling/being useless as town (especially Day1). This is a useless policy vote and I can't remember seeing a game where Vayne trolled like that as scum. Since that he only came in the thread to switch to Cephiro - the only strong wagon. He basically avoided trying to find scum and instead went on about policies the whole game while actually being in the thread. I realize that this is pretty much it. I really thought I saw some more things I didn't like yesterday but I couldn't find them again today. So thats some sort of post from yesterday or whatever? And now you dont interpret the quotes the same way?
I think the same way but I don't think thats enough to lynch him (I wrote this while reading his filter again today). As I said I had the feeling there would be more stuff like this in his filter.
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On October 19 2013 04:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On October 19 2013 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT? Try again. "Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment?" Those are your words and you haven't voted. Ceph has been emotionally invested in his past few posts. What is your take on him? What do you even mean try again??
I have voted - that's why I said try again.
My take on Cephiro is that he is a good lynch that's why my vote is on him.
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On October 19 2013 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:30 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On October 19 2013 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT? Try again. "Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment?" Those are your words and you haven't voted. Ceph has been emotionally invested in his past few posts. What is your take on him? What do you even mean try again?? I have voted - that's why I said try again. My take on Cephiro is that he is a good lynch that's why my vote is on him.
This list looks real though....hm.
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