Thug Life Mini Mafia

On August 30 2013 21:51 kitaman27 wrote:


This was a very poor way to enter the thread.

FOS Onegu

On August 30 2013 22:02 yamato77 wrote:
WoS you are kinda playing weird.

On August 30 2013 22:38 yamato77 wrote:

oh, this was kita's first post

actually, he is a good lynch.

On August 31 2013 07:04 yamato77 wrote:
Caught up, things to reply to:



Calls me scum for my interactions with WoS that look like scum interacting with scum, but doesn't think WoS is scum in the same post. Bullshit. Would lynch.



Better list: kita/Ceph/geript/Risen

Not lurkers, but actual possible mafia.



Still might be scum, is definitely obsessed with the idea that VA is 3P. Claim makes no sense from VA but this dude is definite suspect.



Added Felkyr to list. I agree that his post looks like mafia. Good work CC.



Risen's opening posts are also horrible. CC best town.



Agree with BH here to an extent. Weary of wily scum BH.

Kita still maybe scum, more interested in speculating setup that scum WOULDN'T know 100% about than actually finding mafia.

Geript scum with that unlynchable claim for sure.

On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.

First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.

What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.

Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.

If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.

On August 30 2013 08:18 yamato77 wrote:
Giant post inc

---

RE: Marvellosity/Hapahauli





This post is Hapa's read on Marv. It's also entirely truthful in Hapa's assessment of scum Marv's play. We've talked about this before on skype many times, and he's said that this is how he "catches" scum Marv. What I disagree with is his conclusion, that this game is somehow NOT indicative of this scum-Marv attitude.



Not holier-than-thou, eh? I beg to differ. Like I said, Hapa is either not reading closely enough (never seen town Hapa do this) or has already decided Marv's alignment (town Hapa wouldn't do this either). My post wasn't "fail-logic". I know what I'm talking about.

As a follow up to this read, Hapa posts this:



1 Bitchy isn't somewhat of a holier-than-thou way of acting? If all you do is complain about the play of others, doesn't that imply that you put yourself on a pedestal above them?

2 Doesn't this sort of contradict your earlier assessment of his scum play? And it doesn't seem like he's agreeing, for the most part, with the most vocal/influential players in the game (yourself, rayn to an extent)? Notably, he's largely avoided interacting with me about my reads. He didn't even respond to my post until you asked him to. Doesn't that seem a bit off?

Also, on the topic of debears, you said this:



It's not so much that you're going after someone (in fact I expect you to do that), it's that you picked someone already under some pressure (debears) and the post you made about him was... lackluster. For reference:



This post is bad OVERALL, not just in its suspicion of debears. I've already commented on that. But specifically, why are debears' suspicions of Scib so hard to understand if you only have him as null?

And did you read his scum game YANMM (that debears was in)? He started out in a similar fashion to this game with policy talk and a general "pro-town" style. It's not unsubstantiated if you know the context. But you didn't bother to ask, did you?

Plus, when the fuck do you say "darrrrrrn scummy" when talking about mafia? Why is debears voting for Scib somehow scummy when deebs is plainly stating the scum motivations he sees?

Post reeks of bullshit, Hapahauli. Notably, it's also your first post of the game, and I KNOW you have a hard time getting going as scum. That's why I was suspicious of you in the first place, and your Marv read is just another red flag.

---

RE: Debears

Deebs is someone who played when I started. Like I said, he also played in YANMM as SK with scib, so I don't see anything wrong with how he approached sciberbia in the early game. It's something I noticed as well, but didn't put as much stock into. Debears is notorious for tunneling early D1 and getting reads off that, so I'm totally fine with his play thus far in the game and wouldn't worry about him unless he becomes far less active.

---

RE: Scib



In YANMM he made a setup-focused post like this one as his first post and it rang some alarms but I, in my noob days, ignored it because of how bad people generally were in my NMM games. To see it again this game is somewhat disturbing, but like I said, it's not damning.





These consecutive posts feel weird. I did indeed respond to him, he just either didn't get the hint (I was suspicious of Marv) or was downright ignoring my posts and threw shit at me for nothing. I even explained my read on Marv at some point, as he noted in this post, yet he never attempted to disagree with me, he just shat on my read and said I wasn't "engaging in the discussion" (read: contributing to the spam-fest). No really that important either, just plain odd.

Other than that, most of his filter is arguing with Rayn/Debears which is not what I'd expect from a scum scib that I remember to have been rather quiet. He's also obviously affected emotionally by the posts of others at times and seems interested in actually finding mafia. He posts some weird things, but I generally don't like to get caught up in semantics with people who play this game that I don't know that well.

If there's anyone else worth talking about, ask. I'll broaden my horizons because Hapa/Marv (even if I am right) can't be the only scum.

On August 30 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote:

Is he really, though?

It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it.

If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play?

On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding.

Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch.

On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:

Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.