EPTTentative, depending on whether or not it looks like Aperture is starting soon. I love minis, though, so I've gotta try it ^^
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Tentative, depending on whether or not it looks like Aperture is starting soon. I love minis, though, so I've gotta try it ^^ | ||
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(those of you who've never played with me before, this is the kind of wishy-washiness that you should expect from me  )Anyway, I'm so excited to play again!! | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can lynch me on D1 if a vig shoots WoS and i am wrong. srsly! This... bothers me. So as a townie, you're suggesting that we lynch you D1 if a vig shoots another townie today? How is that in any way good for town? | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:39 Sn0_Man wrote: He is quite certain that he will be killed by scum tonight. So he considers his life forfeit and is pushing his reads while he can. You can't lynch what's already been shot by mafia. In any case, he's right about one thing. I'm gonna read some filters after I hop in the shower really quick. Anyone else know what made DP and rayn find Rainbows 100% mafia? | ||
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Hot/cold? What are your thoughts on Rainbows? | ||
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I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: On August 21 2013 01:20 Rainbows wrote: All I've seen is a bunch of nonsense about survivor/miller claiming, a real claim, and a case on WoS. From the impression I get, Darthpunk seems to be driving the potential lynch on Koshi. Sn0_man seems to +1 the idea and just roll with it. DP is much more vindictive about the issue, which hopefully means he's town as well. The idea that he is 'all-in' on WoS right now seems like too obvious the contradiction for scum to make. TL;DR -- people that talk a lot, hopefully they flip town. The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions. Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of? + Show Spoiler + Good night! | ||
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And I've already said who I think is scum in the post that you didn't read. | ||
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rayn: What was the thing you and DP both supposedly saw regarding Rainbows? He's the only one I feel pretty scummy about, and the fact that he hasn't posted in over a day isn't helping his case imo. I'll take a look at sn0 now. I've been really internally wishy-washy about him. He was on my possible scum list earlier N0, but I got a "scum wouldn't say that" vibe from some of his posts that kinda dropped him back to null. I should take better notes, since my memory doesn't really cut it in most cases :S As far as DP being the NK is concerned, the most we should take from it is that everything he said was honest. If we try to wifom whether or not scum wanted us to pursue his scumreads and trust his townreads, then we're doing ourselves a disservice. That being said, I generally agreed with his given reads except for kush and sn0, who I'm much more null on. @Vayne: Eh, I see where you're coming from, but DP probably was one of the top town players in the game. He just kinda makes sense as a NK. | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote: Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on. I'm being very aggressive? o.O I don't really know what to tell you. I guess I'm a little bored, and since rainbows is my only reasonably confident scumread I don't want him fading into the background without people telling me why they're no longer suspicious of him. N0 basically just added an extra 24 hours to D1 to me, and I don't feel like there's much to show for it. What is it that I'm doing that's so aggressive, if I may ask? | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so? I'm pretty sure I understood your case - That town WoS would have explained himself when explicitly called out on it, while scum WoS would be content to just say "I did this before as town, and I'm doing it now as town" and leave it at that. But I actually don't even see why scum WoS would decide to mention silent N0 as a means of gaining towncred or something (which your scum scenario seems to imply) when he could have likely just played like himself and not drawn attention to himself in this way. The scenario just doesn't make sense to me. As far as that quote by me goes, I was explaining how I came to my conclusion. The answer to your first question is already explained in the quote itself. It felt to me as though you were on opposing sides up until that point, which made it strange that you both found what appeared to be the same scumslip at the same time. If you were both as sure as you seemed, then it made little sense for either of you to be scum. The most likely scenario was that two townies saw something that they strongly felt indicated scum, and posted about it at the same time. This didn't mean that Rainbows was scum, it just meant that two townies strongly felt that he was scum. I then read through his filter and came across that post that I've already explained my reasoning behind. As for your Rainbows evidence, how is not having an opinion on something flip-flopping? For me, flip-flopping is having one opinion, then having the opposite opinion for no explainable reason. And the second point is meh for me. Something can jump out at you without really swaying your read on someone. When Vayne pointed out kush's post, it certainly seemed strange to me, but it nevertheless had very little/no effect on my read of kush. And misreading a case doesn't mean someone's scum... I'm not sure what you're going for with that. What did Rainbows post that changed anything about the way you viewed this evidence, though? | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so). Rainbows, you said this: "If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post." Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no? Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong. *shrugs* This is the only way I felt comfortable pushing Rainbows. If anything, me being unsure of myself is a town tell. I certainly felt like I was pushing stutters more confidently in Basterd than I am pushing Rainbows this game. Though at the same time, I was knowingly bussing my own scummate in that game, so they're not really the same scenario. Response to rainbows' case incoming~ | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:48 Rainbows wrote: Back. Rereading, I still feel like Rayn and Koshi are both town. WoS feels town despite all of the facerolling him and Rayn are doing. Sn0 doesn't feel like a good lynch atm, because he has me flip flopping all over the place. Gut / head say scum but heart says town -- fuck. Knowing my alignment, DP was off on his read of me, and apparently realized it himself. If Sn0 and WoS are both town as well, then scum are easily sitting back and watching potential mislynches occur. I'm pretty sure mkfuba07 is mafia. His push on me feels like scum trying to lynch me, as opposed to a wrong townie. As such, this post will contain obligatory amounts of OMGUS. You have been warned. Mkfuba forwarding a mislynch 1) The premise for Fuba's case on me stems from the words of unconfirmed town. We now know that DP is town, and hopefully Rayn is as well. The way I see this: "Oh, hey, some town guys think Rainbows is mafia, so therefore I should push this mislynch. Rayn / DP will look bad after." Fuba does not try to find scum on his own, but rather piggyback off of other players in the thread. 2) These two sentences scream of waffling. Fuba knows I will flip town, and wants to set himself up for the "damn, really wasn't sure in the first place" sort of excuse. 3) Completely false information. He twists my words to justify his read. He says that my read on Koshi is "definitely town", like I know his alignment. In reality, I said that Koshi is "probably town" as in the miller claim. Probably. The miller claim is grounds for a vig shot at worst from town. 4) "CAN YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH PLEASE? I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUSH RAINBOWS WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING THAT?" Fuba also spends more of the post discussing his townreads on WoS/Rayn rather than on his suspicions of me, which I find terribly odd if he is truly town suspecting me as mafia. In addition, Fuba has done little else in the thread. Mafia love to tunnel one person into the ground at a time, piggybacking off of other's arguements as they go along. Fuba's goal so far this game has been to push my mislynch subtlety, vote, and /afk. This post is also lulzy: Wasting time / feigning contribution. Says he doesn't speculate on things he doesn't know but does that in the entire paragraph above. What does this post do to further towns goals, how is it a town-aligned post? His filter is short and mafia. ##Vote: Mkfuba07 Ahhh, defense. I'm in my element ^^ First of all, DP mentioned you as one of his two scumreads in his last post before dying. That means he didn't "realize he was off." Now for your numbered points: 1) Only correct in that it was them both finding what appeared to be the exact same scumread when they seemed to be mortal enemies that made me think they were likely town and on to something. If I was just going to piggyback, then why did I post this after both of them had already stated that they were unsure of their previous reasoning? And I'm reasonably sure that no one thought both rayn and DP were scum, which would mean I would be first in line for the chopping block if I actually thought you were a mislynch. 2) See my pre-game post about being wishy-washy. The fact remains that I ended my post with a "Rainbows is scum" theme, which is what I've stuck with despite everyone else apparently disappearing. 3) I'm not twisting any words. I'm making inferences based on things you have said. You say in the post I quoted that sn0 just +1's the Koshi wagon (implying, to me, that you think it's scummy), and that DP appears to be more vindictive about lynching Koshi, which you hope means he's town (I didn't notice this before, but you say "as well" here. Would you mind saying who you hope DP is town in addition to?). So, either you find Koshi to be incredibly likely town, or you actually know that he is town. Otherwise there is no reason to say these things, because you don't know the alignment of the person they're trying to lynch. Because of this, either you are scum, or you were near-certain that koshi was town. The fact that in the nested quote you suggest that he is a viable vig hit strongly contradicts a strong koshi town read, which left me with only scum Rainbows. 4) Uh, no. There's actually no way to respond to this because it's so stupid. They say you're 100% scum for reasons. They don't mention their reasons. They say they're less sure of reasons without mentioning them. THAT is flip-flopping. And in any case, I disagreed with all of the evidence that rayn eventually provided, so that kinda shreds your theory that I'm trying to get others to push you for me. Posting my thoughts on the most prevalent topic in the thread is in no way scummy. The fact that it was included in my post about you has *absolutely* no impact whatsoever to anything I've said about you. I really have no idea why you even mentioned it other than to add something else to the list of nonsense. You realize that nothing happened N0 other than WoS vs. rayn, right? The same thing you just a moment ago said I was suspicious for commenting on. Everything else didn't have much of an impact on me. As for the second quote, I'll repeat that there was nothing going on in the thread, and I was bored. WoS hinted at some big reveal, and I wanted to know what it was. I answered his question, hoping he would reveal it. I was not impressed, tbh. How is it lulzy? And there's a difference between making inferences based on peoples' actual posting and speculating on implied power roles. The former is a reasonable thing to do in a game of mafia. Based on what people say, you draw conclusions. I don't know how you play mafia if you don't understand that concept. Undisclosed power roles are completely different. Since roulette I try not to think about power roles as much, because until someone actually claims one it's all wifom. And now for my own point: I phrased things poorly in the first post you quoted, but you think my brilliant plan for this "mislynch" was to make it sound as completely obvious as possible that I was just piggybacking off of two random people? From the way you described it, what I basically said was "These two random people said something, and I agree with them because. Here's some "evidence" that I made up. Can everyone but me please lynch rainbows?" DP and rayn only led me to you, they were not the reason I found you scummy. Your own posts conflicting with themselves or implying knowledge you shouldn't have makes me find you scummy. | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:57 Rainbows wrote: So, Mkfuba, the only reason you think I'm scummy because: 1) I "know" Koshi is town somehow. 2) I want to Vig someone who I think might be town. First of all I don't know Koshi is town or else I wouldn't mind him being vigged n0. He claimed miller. I think it's true, but I might be wrong. It's a miller claim--there's a chance it's a fakeclaim. A fakeclaim like that at a lylo situation is just calling for scum to lynch him if he's really miller, or if he's scum completely dominate us. Vigilante's keep the wild cards out. Lurkers are wild cards, miller claims are wild cards. I find your lack of reasons and assumptions about my play bad. I find my inability to accurately describe my own thought processes bad =/ Anyway, as I sat here trying to spell it out as absolutely clearly as possible, I just kind of realized that the fact that I'm finding it so difficult to explain probably means I'm wrong. No one's understood it, so I'm probably overthinking it entirely. If you end up being scum then I'll be a bit upset with myself, but I'm just gonna drop it. ##Unvote | ||
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