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I don't want you guys to have to rebalance the setup for us anyway. That's no fun. /in for now. | ||
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On August 15 2013 14:19 Sylencia wrote: Has there been a game where a hydra has given town a clear advantage? I have limited experiences with them myself, but I never saw them as being overpowered. Hydras have a net benefit to town, even when you factor in the probability of the hydra being scum. In your 15 player setup, I would expect around 3-4 scum. The probability of the hydra being scum is around 25%. Conversely, the probability of the hydra being town is 75%. Even assuming that the hydra gives an equal benefit to either team, the disproportionate amount of probability attributed to rolling town already gives town an unfair advantage. Add to this that many people think a town hydra is a greater benefit to town than a scum hydra is to scum and the scales tip massively in town's favor. | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:03 DarthPunk wrote: Because if you aren't around people like to lynch you cause it is easy. Of the three times I have been lynched. Two were solely because I wasn't around at deadline. The other was in my first newbie. Both of the only times I have been lynched on this site were due to this. Both times I flipped town.  | ||
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FirmTofu is here And is scumhunting too! First things first. This deadline is less than ideal for me. It is 4 AM in my timezone so I will likely be asleep during that time period. If anyone wishes to vote for me in the 4 hour town frame before the deadline, they better have a fucking good reason to do so. Any votes placed on me during that timeframe should be considered be VERY scummy and all guilty persons should be pursued with fervor the following day. I'll be catching up and posting my thoughts in a few hours. Don't be a bunch of bitches like y'all were in GOT and vote me for no reason for not being around. | ||
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WoS and geript seem to have some sort of mutual camaraderie based on past games and the friendship they have formed through their hydra. Therefore, you can expect them to play irrationally when speaking of one another. I think we should make note of this. WoS is a real funnybunny. I don't like any of his opinions on how to handle N0. On this topic, rayn wins the argument handily. Remaining quiet on N0 is definitely mafia-favored play. There is no reason to silence ourselves when discussion is the greatest asset we have. However, I don't think this is as damning as rayn says it is. WoS looks scummy, sure, but his play is equally likely to be bad town as it is to be scum. Geript's meta indicates that geript may be scum this game. Town geript usually attacks and pushes like a monster. Geript this game has been relatively subdued. Vayne is not posting much and is not looking particularly scummy. Knowing Vayne, this is quite odd. Town Vayne usually likes to look scummy so that he won't get NK'd until endgame. Vayne in this game looks nothing like town Vayne. Koshi is looking scummy and stupid. Whenever Koshi looks scummy and stupid, he flips town. See: Titanic and all of his other town games. Whenever he is spot on with his reads and looks like he knows what he is doing, he flips scum. At best, he's a good vigi shot right now. Lynching him is not a good course of action. Kush is basically Koshi divided by 2. He just posts less, but his playstyle is very similar. Thus, he is also probably not the best lynch right now. After GoT, I'm not sure how to read rayn anymore. I thought I had him figured out after Titanic and his scum play in I Swear 2, but he played a solid scum game in GoT and threw me off. For the time being, he remains a volatile player that is more likely to hurt town than help it. I would not mind a vig shot on him, but I am finding it hard to read him right now. Saving for later. That's all I want to talk about for now. If anything else comes up, I'll be sure to let you know. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato. As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings. I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch. | ||
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On August 21 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote: Not that I haven't flung my share of shit at a decent variety of players this game, but if we take a look at rayns filter he has called the following people scum: Me, Geript, WoS, Rainbows, Oats, and DP In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well. I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now. Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread. I just caught this post. Sno, could you explain how rayn being accusatory and aggressive makes him scum? It looks like you are simply trying to discredit him here.You don't seem to be pushing for his lynch, but you want everyone to ignore him. Why would a townie want this when he isn't in rayn's crosshairs? What town motivation do you have to discredit rayn when he isn't even attacking you? | ||
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Is this post serving a greater purpose to aid town in its conquest of mafia? Is this post going to consist of less than 5 words? Is this post going to derail the thread into discussing something of absolutely no value? I trust you know the correct answers. Regulate yourself. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha this brings me back to Ego mafia. It's the only other time I've seen Rayn act so unbelievably retarded. I trust you haven't read Titanic? Bless your soul. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: FT he did this in Titanic as well? What was the outcome/what was he trying to accomplish? He was a claimed cop. He drunk posted to push mislynches. I still don't know why. It filled up the thread fast. I think Titanic had around the same amount of pages as GoT when there were only 14 players. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright yeah it seems to fit his drunkposting fiasco in Ego---no particular rhyme or reason behind it. Aaaaanyway, now that I have you here FT, who is scum? I don't like sno at all. Geript and Vayne could be scum due to meta. Yamato seems to be faking aggression, so that's odd. Still unsure on rayn. Usually, rayn pursues me in every game. This time, he's accused everyone but me. I'd prefer to ignore him because he's utterly useless as is. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't want to talk about Rayn at all anymore. This may be exactly what he wants at this point but I honestly don't care. I could lynch Onegu atm. I should probably read into some of the players I haven't looked at yet like Rainbows (who I know is a competent player). FT who is your PRIMARY scumread? That is, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? And what meta tells you that Geript and Vayne are scum? I don't see how either of them have really posted enough tot ell you anything. I don't really have a definitive scum read yet so I don't want to lead town astray with weak reads. My "strongest scum read" is probably sno based on a couple of posts I didn't like. I've already explained why geript and Vayne may be scum due to meta. You can have a look at some of my earlier posts to get an idea of why. Ill have a dive through Onegu's filter and see if I can pick up on something I missed on my first read through. | ||
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On August 21 2013 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi you need to work also on knowing who is left in the game and who is not. Other than that your post is spot on. WoS: What were you trying to accomplish with your"gambit"? You very well know this is the only possible outcome in case you do not answer me in the first place. What's the point of wasting 24 hours of my time? What's the point of looking like scum and then call out people who think you are scum scum? You are really not this stupid as town. You were just trying to mimic your meta from CCM and it can clearly be seen from your answers to me. When i call you out for your post you immediately response "Tell me how i am playing different from CCM?", while that is not even what i am asking from you!!! You are defending yourself with an meta argument when i am not even accusing you of anything yet. You are scum. FirmTofu: Why are you trying to throw dirt on me from Titanic? I did not push mislynches. I pushed one fucking mislynch in the whole fucking game and you very well know that because you were mafia and i tried really hard to get you lynched from the very beginning of the game! So, why are you lying? To make me look worse? You pushed mislynches. Namely XRZ and Koshi. You also only dropped your push on Paperscraps at the last minute when his lynch was inevitable. Clearly, I did not lie about anything. I wasn't trying to throw "dirt" on you, I was just answering WoS's question. Regardless, I really don't want to get into a shitfest argument with you right now. We agree on sn0, so let's focus on convincing the others that he's a good lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i did not push Paperscraps lynch, never. But fair enough. Can you make a case on Snoman then? I still do not see a better case than mine on WoS in thread and i am not making another one. WoS was supposed to read some players yesterday and he has yet to follow that up in any way. I don't mind making a case on sn0, but I'll reread yours first. I'm still a bit wavering on WoS. His defense so far has been sub-par to say the least. | ||
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Why did they kill DarthPunk? DarthPunk must've been on the right track. I'm inclined to believe that at least one of Rainbows and sn0 is scum, if not both. Lynching into one of DP's strongest scum reads is a safer bet than WoS. | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you know WoS' defense is sub-par if you have not even read the case? I have read the case. I said I'll reread it... | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is certainly not the only possible solution and WIFOM. DP was definitely the strongest player in this game. No reason to not kill him whether or not he was right. He would be, at least at some point. I am unfamiliar with his reputation. Is he considered one of the best players on the site or something? | ||
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I would say the WIFOM still favors sn0 being scum over town. There are two possible scenarios: 1) If the scum team has a veteran leader, then DP may have been killed for his reputation. 2) If the scum team has no veterans, DP has to have been killed for his reads. I don't think you can say DP was looking extremely pro-town on N0. I really don't see players who are unfamiliar with his reputation killing him unless he was doing something right and they wanted to silence him. Veterans(People who are familiar with DP's repuatation): rayn Oats? geript? Vayne? yamato77? WaveofShadow? Is there anyone else? Therefore, if you believe one or more of these people are scum, then DP may have been killed for his reputation instead of his reads. Personally, geript and WoS are the scummiest on that list for me. geript due to meta and WoS for a weak defense/general apathy. I still find sn0 independently more scummy than the combined scumminess of geript and WoS. Based on your initial beliefs, you should be able to run through this logic and find out who exactly you should be voting. If you are hesitant to lynch any of the veterans, sn0 is your best bet. | ||
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