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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 16 2013 00:10 GMT
#96
/in
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 28 2013 20:59 GMT
#267
/confirm
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 09:29 GMT
#1173
Okeydoke I think I'm more or less caught up with the thread now. It's been somewhat overwhelming given a) this is my first large setup b) I've been away for several months and there's some fucking wierd new meta going on that I can't wrap my head around c) fucking migraine put me out of commission yesterday so didn't start until after dinner today. And it's taken a while to plow through everything

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First I'd like to chip in on Vayne's roleclaim (a slightly stale subject, I know)

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On August 31 2013 02:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On august 31 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne if your role is not useful any more i guess you can just claim it so we can deduce if you are telling the truth or not.


If I ever get nightkilled, +2 fate is added to the game and I can kill 2 people after 2 more nights have passed.

Obviously not going to get nightkilled at this rate but as you see I needed to die early so I needed to be a threat.

enjoy, im basically a VT now thanks to scum or shitty townies

My gut feeling is that he did indeed botch his early play, so looks to be a genuine rageclaim to me (but not necessarily alignment indicative)

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Also

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On August 31 2013 13:05 alakaslam wrote:
Here is what I know so far.

Blazinghand, Marvellosity, Cheesecake, Cakepie, other such vets:

I am affected by a bais shown in the image below. Correct or incorrect, it is how I see this.

[image loading]

Now, I am thus unable to read into these individuals day 1. However I will try.

Photo is slightly misleading: All vets are null reads. The scum are in the pink. I honestly don't know yet, if I ever will.



This guy is a buffoon. (But you all know that already, right?) Trolling or not, he is failing bloody hard. I'm a vet? Hah! And Marv isn't even in this game. Like srsly wtf. S

Besides, "herp derp I have no idea how to read these guys, I don't think I'll be able to figure it out" and a pointless diagram make for a big-looking, contentless post. Not unlike many of his posts, really. IDGAF what he's trying to breadcrumb or hint in his wall of spam -- if you're town, fucking COMMUNICATe rather than try to be obtuse.

If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later.

##Vote: Alakaslam

cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 10:21 GMT
#1181
On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
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If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later.


Sounds like the definition of a vig shot?


I'd shoot if I could, but I can't, so I use my vote to add emphasis to what I think.

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On August 31 2013 18:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, do you think he has a good chance of flipping red or do you just not want him in the game?


The latter for now, even if I may not get what I want.
He is an impediment to my game as I rely on communication and reasoning, and people being comprehensible.
I am not completely sold on the lynch du jour, so while I examine and weigh other possibilities, I intended for my vote to make a statement, even if it is not necessarily a viable lynch at this point.

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On August 31 2013 18:50 Blazinghand wrote:
make first contribution only a few hours before D1 deadline

IDGAF what you think about the timing, I play this game as my RL schedule allows, and I don't believe I'm breaking any rules.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 10:28 GMT
#1185
On August 31 2013 19:13 AxleGreaser wrote:

@Cakepie.
Q to Cakepie.

Given two people (Alak + 1 other) how would you decide which is best to lynch and which is best to vig shoot.

Why for you is alak the one to lynch?

If he is a buffoon... how good would you think his scum game is...?



To your first point: Seeing as geript is the wagon du jour, I'd lynch Alak and let a vig take care of geript, given his lynchproof claim I'd like for the lynch to do something guaranteed useful rather than be possibly wasted.

To your second point: I don't need to think -- see Newbie XLVI


cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 10:41 GMT
#1192
On August 31 2013 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
@cakepie

I don't think your timing is his problem, I think it's the content of your post.
You said you think he's a good lynch. Now you're saying you voted him to add emphasis to what you think.....
Could you add some thoughts on some players please, preferably some that you consider readable?


Try to remember that the context is: I've just finished a once over of the whole thread, so it's pretty much a first impressions post. I am working through somc filters, will get to that in a bit, certainly.

I don't remember saying that Alak is a "good" lynch. I only illustrated how useless I think he has been, in particular reacting to his recent post which I find to be extremely absurd (also because it caught my attention for actually mentioning me)



On August 31 2013 19:29 AxleGreaser wrote:
people not posting is even more of an impediment to mine.
(and i think you had run out of people not posting to prod.)


I've stated my reasons, any further discussion thereof is basically WIFOM so let's leave at that.


cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 10:51 GMT
#1200
On August 31 2013 19:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
When someone votes someone I assume that they want that person lynched. What other conclusion can I draw?
If it's a pressure vote then you're still supposed to give off the impression that you want him lynched or it doesn't actually pressure.


I would be totes happy to lynch him in the absence of better candidates.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:35 GMT
#1232
On August 31 2013 19:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyway, how about some thoughts on Oats?


Three salient points in Oat's filter

1. "kita scum" early on
On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play.


I can't speak to the policy vote bit since that's basically the stance I take with Alakaslam's playstyle.

Voting some "low hanging fruit" as Oats perceives it, early in the game, is pretty much a null for me, so I don't concur with Oat's scumread on kita for that. How wagons gain traction, and approach critical mass is more interesting I think in terms of trying to infer intent behind voting patterns.

In any case, I wouldn't put too much weight on this part of the filter in light of Dandel's temporary (?) shenaniganry and Kita subsequently unvoting.


2. felkyr

Oats is going after felkyr real hard; I don't really agree with that. I'm more inclined to give felkyr a bit more time and see what happens, since I've been there, obsessing too much about setup as a complete noob townie. I can see how a newbie could behave like that both as town and scum, so it's null and I would rather wait and see a bit more rather than lynch into him so hardcore from the get-go. If he's noob scum, it would benefit us if he is given more opportunities to slip up, plus we'll have more interactions to look at if and when he flips.


3. "extremely strong town read on Dandel"

I don't comprehend this one; some kind of mafia-fu I don't understand? This is really wierd for me.
Oats you want to explain this to me perhaps?



cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:49 GMT
#1237
Jumping in on this Black Mesa thing, I am not fully sold on the "no wincon" bit, but I can see from a flavor perspective how it might consist of a mix of town/scum/3p players -- if you view Black Mesa as a location rather than an organization, we're talking about a dimensional rift that put a bunch of good guys (Freeman et al), bad guys (aliens) and not-sure-what-guys (govt/military) together in one place. Space/time shenanigans, we've seen it in games here before, wouldn't rule it out.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:53 GMT
#1239
On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cakepie are you scum?

Last I checked, green is town-aligned, so nope.

On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
You just posted a whole bunch about how you think my reads are bad and commenting on those reads but you didnt say ANYTHING about my alignment at all.


I don't think your reads necessarily make you scummy, I just disagree is all.
I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:55 GMT
#1240
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:58 GMT
#1241
On August 31 2013 21:53 cakepie wrote:
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On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cakepie are you scum?

Last I checked, green is town-aligned, so nope.

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On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
You just posted a whole bunch about how you think my reads are bad and commenting on those reads but you didnt say ANYTHING about my alignment at all.


I don't think your reads necessarily make you scummy, I just disagree is all.
I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though.


I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though.

EBWOP confused Oats for Koshi.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 15:32 GMT
#1265
ack, dozed off
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On August 31 2013 21:55 cakepie wrote:
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On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look



I ain't exactly got spidey senses screaming to me that he is confirmed scum. My read on him (newbie null) sits precariously and could swing to scummy in a real jiffy if, say, he responds poorly or incorrectly under pressure.

Actually, that might be worth a shot. Let's see what happens if

##Unvote
##Vote: Felkyr



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On August 31 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said that the BM claims make them town....

Also, then what is your read on me and why?


On August 31 2013 21:58 cakepie wrote:
EBWOP confused Oats for Koshi.


You're more useful than a sizeable number of players who are either spammy/trolly/useless or like 4 posts and outta here. North of null and worth keeping around.

Still, care to enlighten me as to why Dandel is such a strong town read for you? I'm having trouble placing his filter.

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On September 01 2013 00:13 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 17 2013 00:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
Cakepie is playing :D
Scum is all screwed...unless Cakepie is scum.

Hi cakepie

You are a honorary Vet now Kthanks


Maybe you should, like, check for context before simply gobbling up whatever people say. My play history is really not that hard to look up.

Besides, this still doesn't explain your reference to marv, who isn't in the game.

Whatever, that's as much cranial capacity I'm willing to spare for you, pretty sure I'm not the only one tuning you out.

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going to catch some sleep now in order to be back before deadline.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 15:34 GMT
#1266
well fuck Felkyr is in here. holding that vote change while I scrutinize that big post
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 15:56 GMT
#1272
Reverting last vote (actually extraneous, as was not posted in the voting thread.)
##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam


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Alright Felkyr here's one for you

I don't feel good about Rayn. He hasn't said that much, and most of it is the BM stuff from the beginning. He talked about BM a lot, while he didn't want to talk about BM. He tried to sketch it as a scumteam. Looked like scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum. But now I'm not sure anymore.


I don't see the Black Mesa discussion from Rayn as insiduous, can you explain further why he looks like "scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum"? Before Onegu came out with his information about BM, Rayn's stance that BM should be treated as a scum faction is reasonable, no? Plus his disagreement with kitaman revolved around a misunderstanding. Is there anything else that supports your suspicions, perhaps?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 16:04 GMT
#1273
Anyone have anything for me before I hop out?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 16:20 GMT
#1275
On September 01 2013 01:04 cakepie wrote:
Anyone have anything for me before I hop out?

apparently not. stepping outta here for now.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 22:03 GMT
#1434
what up guys back catching up last 10 pages or so
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 22:32 GMT
#1464
axle I'm intrigued by your shenaniplan and would be willing to provide more "breathing room" on the geript wagon, but I'm not sure why you'd pick BH in light of geript's threat to voterig/redirect/whatever the lynch onto BH?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 23:33 GMT
#1533
Let's see where ag's plan takes us
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