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I might not be able to play for a while tomorrow, and most likely not for a good portion of the day after cause I'll be traveling for like 8-9 hours.
It looks like it's going to be Wednesday in spite of the delay, I'd prefer if it didn't get delayed again cause weekend.
What's the issue with weekend starts anyway, aren't people supposed to have more time to play ?
On August 05 2013 17:43 Xatalos wrote:Wait a second... I'm always confused by timezones. If this game starts today at 06:00 (+02:00) = 08:00 (my local time), shouldn't it have started already (it's 11:35 now)? The remaining time should be... ...? Also could someone answer my earlier green questions 
The 3 extra slots being so volatile is probably delaying things.
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Don't worry guys.
We simply pick D1's policy lynch right now before the game starts and everyone is happy.
1) Dandel Ion
2) Dandel Ion
3) Dandel Ion
Edit: 4) Kush
Pick one.
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On August 06 2013 03:02 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote:
Don't worry guys.
We simply pick D1's policy lynch right now before the game starts and everyone is happy.
1) Dandel Ion
2) Dandel Ion
3) Dandel Ion
Edit: 4) Kush
Pick one. ##vote vivax
It pleases me to see that you recognize the best possible lord of any house in the game.
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Johnny, do you have any reads to share with us yet? There's something irking me in your filter.
First post: You speak of the possibility of an assassin type of role.
On August 08 2013 14:46 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:37 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie this might mean more if you tell us who is in your house why would he do that? that seems pretty anti-town to do. If there's a scum/3p goal to kill a single house (think of Robert Baratheon wanting to kill every last Targaryen) then this would make their job infinitely easier if they can figure out the house. I now realize that being elected Lord of a house can be a disadvantage as well as an advantage. It reveals what house you are. I thought that that would be anonymous but it looks like its otherwise. We want to give scum as little information as possible. I made the mistake in Night 0 of revealing my name, without realizing that there may be an assassin type of role. As long as there's no major disagreements within your house I think that it might be the best course of action to elect the same lord for every night if possible.
Last post: Now you think it only matters to know who is in each house, which is something different than knowing each players' name, as if it didn't matter any more if there's an assassin or not.
On August 08 2013 16:15 johnnywup wrote:
Actually, since Scum is randomly distributed it's likely that they do already know who's in every house. There's 24 players so around 5 people are mafia. It's likely that there's one in each house except maybe one or two. Which means they do probably know who's in what house. I feel like an idiot.
Additionally, you spend a lot of time talking about all this stuff, but also say this:
and we have 2/6 houses completely revealed to everyone. That's enough to discuss for a while in terms of house politics. Can we please stop now?
which isn't consistent with the fact that you don't bring forward something to talk about instead. Is there anything specific you want to talk about that isn't house politics, since you didn't want it to be discussed any more?Why not include it immediately into your posts?
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On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread.
This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3).
4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative.
Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion.
I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two.
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@ Clarity:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction.
I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct?
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On August 09 2013 07:24 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote:@ Clarity:+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction. I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct? yes but there are two different things that could be called lies. one is that he told oats my real name because he was curious, when actually he told him that to kill my "plan" on purpose to get a reaction from me. the other is that he told oats I was going to reveal my rolename to the whole house anyway, when that was not in fact correct.
Yeah you're right actually, he went from casual explanations to more sofisticated ones once under pressure, that's quite scummy, but what feel do you gain from his in-thread activity, for example?Do you think that it's scummy too?
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol
First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.
I don't think you have only to consider the content of their PMs to get a read on Koshi and Dandel. Do you have at least a tentative read on the two?
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On August 09 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Vivax!
What do you think of Onegu, FT, Acrofales and johnnywup?
Why not ask me about s0lstice?I assume he is one of your scumspects?
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On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats?
I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case?
I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment.
I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement?
@ Oberyn
On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord?
I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy.
Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment.
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon.
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On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative?
FT, I'm not sure what you use as reason for calling Acro scum. Do you think he's scum for caring about the content of his posts or do you want to kill him for roleplaying, seems like a mix of the both.
Wanting people to stop posting bollocks is fine but assuming they're scum for playing around in their first posts seems like a stretch. Are you claiming that Acro is also scum for roleplaying or only for:
Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see
This is what Acro said:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm.
To me it looks like he's asking for reasons for Oats townreads on the house members. You call it a soft-accuse, how do you draw the line?
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On August 09 2013 22:30 Acrofales wrote:
Additionally, I am concerned about Vivax and Yamato's lack of presence in this hallway. These are reknowned knights from whom I had high expectations and their absense is troubling. Yamato has been around, but got into that useless fight with Oats. While that seemed uncharacteristic for a pretender, his subsequent disappearance has me doubting that assessment. Vivax has not contributed much at all. Of these two, I'd prefer to see Vivax on the chopping block.
Are you scum Acro?
How did yamato contribute more than me in any way? He only got into a shit fight with Oats and disappeared.
Question for you: Can you tell me about a single read/suspect from yamato you know about?
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On August 09 2013 06:17 jrkirby wrote:
Also, I have a hunch that DI and Koshi are both town, and they're kinda "OMGUSing" each other. Often people who think they're really good at scumhunting spend a lot of time accusing people who are town and tunneling, and have confirmation bias when they're actually right. Scum are less likely to do this kinda tunneling.
Oberyn, what do you think of this?
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On August 09 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
iamp why do you have a strong townread on Oats?
He entered the thread getting into a discussion with Yamato about why it is bad to release the names of the houses, which might be because he is town and he is concerned about it but aren't chances higher that he did it to stop scumhunting? Oats also asks stupid questions to everybody that tried to actually start scumhunting to draw them away from that. Sure it puts Oats in the spotlight but it also shits up the thread and it is hard for the other person that is discussing with Oats to not respond to these stupid questions.
Oats DID NOT PUT HIS THOUGHTS clearly in this thread. What kind of bullshit is that? He currently has 5 townreads. 3 members of his house because they are "nice and shit", DI because "he is agressive and shit" and Acro because his constructed posts are constructed.
I don't see why everybody thinks Oats is town.
What's up Koshi? You're being quite inactive in this game, being busy?
Check my earlier post directed at you and respond to it please.
What I see in your post are things you don't like about what Oats is doing, not reasons for why he's scum.
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On August 09 2013 22:46 kushm4sta wrote:
btw people should sheep vivax not even a laziness thing. He is just right a very huge percentage of the time and it is town wincon to sheep him.
What's telling you I'm town? I'm flattered but people need a good reason to start kissing my ass.
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these are the pieces of shit that come to mind
FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else
Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia
Grack- Mia since last night
Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt
nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms
Sharrant- as stated before
Kush He can spontaneously combust for all i care
Gumshoe Weak but he bothered to contact me and hasn't posted why the fuck would he do that
Sharrant Same as gum but with acro instead of me
Iamp, how do you pick those specific targets for your scum city?What made you rule out the previous ones, namely grack, Nacho and Tofu?
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On August 09 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. I am not angry at Oats, he is however trying really hard to do so. Why are the first 2 not relevant? Oats is actually capable to make cases, so him just commenting on his townreads like that is bad play or scumplay. Why would he call me scum if I am right about him shitting up the thread? Doesn't he see that he is doing it? Instead he keeps doing these things like asking me questions that are so wrong that I just have to respond to them. What's the difference between a lurker/inactive and Oats at this point?
Do you want to lynch Oats cause he's a lurker?
What do you think of his exchange with yammo?
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On August 09 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote:
why are you busy vivax?
I just came to my hometown in Austria from Rome (2 days ago) after some gipsies stole my wallet in the metro the day of departure, now I had to replace all the cards I had in it, driver licence mainly. My passport runs out the 19th of August and I need to renew it, I also need to deliver some shit for a transfer to uni here, I'm seeing all my old friends again and one of them has birthday today.Tomorrow and the day after we'll probably go camping if the weather allows it.
Have I told you enough of my private life now? :3
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On August 09 2013 23:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:04 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote:
why are you busy vivax? I just came to my hometown in Austria from Rome (2 days ago) after some gipsies stole my wallet in the metro the day of departure, now I had to replace all the cards I had in it, driver licence mainly. My passport runs out the 19th of August and I need to renew it, I also need to deliver some shit for a transfer to uni here, I'm seeing all my old friends again and one of them has birthday today.Tomorrow and the day after we'll probably go camping if the weather allows it. Have I told you enough of my private life now? :3 describe the gipsies
Describe me koshi
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On August 09 2013 23:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:00 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. I am not angry at Oats, he is however trying really hard to do so. Why are the first 2 not relevant? Oats is actually capable to make cases, so him just commenting on his townreads like that is bad play or scumplay. Why would he call me scum if I am right about him shitting up the thread? Doesn't he see that he is doing it? Instead he keeps doing these things like asking me questions that are so wrong that I just have to respond to them. What's the difference between a lurker/inactive and Oats at this point? Do you want to lynch Oats cause he's a lurker? What do you think of his exchange with yammo? I want to lynch Oats because he is clearly not playing like he should/can play. I don't understand why he is considered town in this game while he is at best a lurker. Yamato was right, Oats was wrong. Yamato had to endure Oats his terrible questions just like me. But Yamato is fitting the same profile as Oats at this point, however, people think Oats is town and Yamato is scum. Why is that? They interacted with each other in the first 6 hours of this game and then disappeared. But I don't want to live in the past alone. I want to add that in my eyes s0lstice is town and I do not see a reason why he is scum except for not picking DI. The only small thing that is strange is that he ran so convincingly for Lord and is now being pretty afk. DI seems to be town as well. I was not aware of his town meta and I thought that DI trolling meant DI=scum. Him wanting to be Lord to kill Kush = Trolling. I don't have scumreads yet on any of the big posters in this game and killing of people that don't participate in the game is probably a good idea. Clarity is a bit on my radar but that is based on associations and being a vassal of iamp but that's it.
DI trolling actually means he's scum, mostly when it's the only thing he's doing. Either that or akfing.
I got the feeling Oats is town from our PMs, he participated a lot to get clarity to be scrutinized in our house, and went at him very aggressively, he's a little less "in yo face" in the thread but I'm happy about it, seems more constructive in his way of playing.
Can't be 100 % sure yet but I think there's people looking worse, for example yammo, and Acro has an explanation to deliver for his scumread on me.
Can we agree on getting at least 4 guesses for scum until the day is over? I want to see you scumhunting outside of this Oats thing.
On August 09 2013 22:47 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:42 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:40 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:33 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
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I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case?
I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment.
I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement?
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I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy.
Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment.
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Is Oberyn really unfamiliar with DI's meta? Why would he even cast suspicion on him in the first place - much less without pushing that stance at all? No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? Just to be clear, have you, or have you not ever seen one of my towngames? Yes sir. So why do you act like you didn't? If you're playing scummy, saying "hey guys look at my old games, I always play scummy" isn't a valid excuse. I'm not a huge meta fan either. If you're incapable of emulating your town play as scum, then you're not very good scum player. I'm not even playing scummy, you're just imagining that. Yes, I'm a bad scum player. That's what I keep telling people... Don't worry. I can give you some tips post game if you ask nicely. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:44 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 06:17 jrkirby wrote:
Also, I have a hunch that DI and Koshi are both town, and they're kinda "OMGUSing" each other. Often people who think they're really good at scumhunting spend a lot of time accusing people who are town and tunneling, and have confirmation bias when they're actually right. Scum are less likely to do this kinda tunneling. Oberyn, what do you think of this? jrkirby hasn't set off any red flags yet in PMs, though similar to Acro, I question how they come to the both town conclusion so easily. In this case, I'd be more suspicious of Acro, rather than kirby due to experience. Kirby is going to find himself shot if he's not posting in the thread more though.
Did you already question him in PMs about his unexplainable townread or did you only call out Acro for it?
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