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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 13:00:43
July 25 2013 12:51 GMT
#6
edit: sry just jumped the gun a bit mr host wasn't done posting mr setup yet, my mistake
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 19:45:41
July 25 2013 16:28 GMT
#19
/in

Just to be sure, the veteran can practically not be lynched? If he has a majority on him at deadline it'll be like a no-lynch and he'll be confirmed town?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 00:12:23
July 26 2013 00:06 GMT
#22
On July 26 2013 08:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 01:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
/in

Just to be sure, the veteran can practically not be lynched? If he has a majority on him at deadline it'll be like a no-lynch and he'll be confirmed town?


Veteran dies just like anyone else. I suppose I should fix the flavor on that one too.


Thanks, flavor got me tripped up with the: night kill = throwing overboard = lynched ^^

Hi Mr Sparrow.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 26 2013 01:08 GMT
#34
Before I roll scum and look scummy saying it, I am policy lynching roleplayers!
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 26 2013 04:29 GMT
#41
On July 26 2013 10:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 10:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
Before I roll scum and look scummy saying it, I am policy lynching roleplayers!


You're no fun


Yeah I'm a real partypooper

On July 26 2013 11:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Sent, the Janitor cleans whatever kill is sent in first right?


Yus.


The town vigi and scum kp are the only two kinds of nightkills and I can't really think of a scenario where the vigi does NOT want to see what his target flipped, meaning the vigi will want to send you the shot as late as possible.... which means scum want to do the same, which creates this weird and silly thing that shouldn't exist, right? What is the advantage in doing this over just having the janitor clean the scum kill that night.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 26 2013 12:54 GMT
#46
On July 26 2013 21:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The vig can shoot during day phase too btw


Oh, right, "at any time".
I suck, thanks for pointing that out
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 26 2013 16:52 GMT
#52
The rum is gone, and yeah that'd be fine by me sentinel
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 05:22 GMT
#164
I prefer to policy lynch a roleplayer than policy lynching a lurker if it comes to that.
Also Oats, why do you first define a lurker as the least amount of posts, and then define him as having the least content instead?

On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly.

So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days?

On July 27 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On July 27 2013 11:34 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On July 27 2013 11:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 27 2013 11:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On July 27 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.

As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others.

What trap?
Like what trap are you talking about?

Do you like lurkers in town?

CJS, I think that at least 1 or 2 scum will be labeled as a lurker and with only probably 3-4 town, its a much smaller pool to look at as opposed to all 14 people.

But how are we going to be able to tell the scum lurkers from the town lurkers? We should just shoot them all!

Or we could get them drunk and get them to admit to being bad. Does this plan sound better?

Also:


##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow

Please and thank you.

I dont trust you. Bad stuff happens around you..


We differentiate the scum lurkers from the town lurkers by reading their posts.

But if they lurk and don't post, how will we be able to tell the difference?
And nothing bad happens around me. Who am I?

There isnt a difference between lurking and not posting.
There is a difference between high effort low post count and low effort low post count.


You are aware of WHY people start day1 by claiming to policy lynch lurkers right? We want to force people to post and contribute so we can get a read on them. This doesn't mean we have to follow through on it but if town plays properly none of them will lurk which forces scum to post. It's just a statement you make and then you move on, so move on.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 07:33 GMT
#169
On July 27 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity do you think Oats is mafia?


No reason that I suspect him of being mafia over anyone else atm, no.

On July 27 2013 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just going to say that i'll be home in around ~10-12 hours so don't waste time on discussing my alignment before i start playing.

Oats is most likely town and should be listened to.


Enjoy your bday rayn.
There's no way you could've left without a blanket statement like "x is town because I said so"? Pretty sure, from what I remember, oats opens every mafia game like this.

Mr Firmtofu, why is exarezee looking town to you and why did you feel the need to share this with the class?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 10:04 GMT
#191
I'm hereby starting a FirmTofu wagon, anyone with me?

##Vote FirmTofu
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 10:34 GMT
#196
On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote:
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.

I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu.


I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain?
Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own)
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.


FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy!
Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point.

Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Okay, I'm back on a computer.
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.

I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn!

This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another.

On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...

Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not?

On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if
1) Half the town is lurking
or
2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches.


Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing.

Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum:

On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu

I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far.

If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do.
##Vote: exarezee
You can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them.


"I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!"

This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met.
On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote:
##Unvote
I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something.


Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself.

But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts:

On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded.
He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why?

Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads.

On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people.


This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum.

FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 10:47 GMT
#198
Erm, in the quote you used he is actually defending the lurker discussion, which exarezee is trying to remove.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 11:00 GMT
#200
I'm not too interested in discussing this for much longer, but if you're trying to move discussion away from lurker lynch policy, I don't think you're supposed to attack the person saying the discussion should move away from lurker lynch policy.

I don't believe 7 minutes is enough time to read a page of filter, make sure you understand the context, and reach a conclusion about the persons alignment. Given that you were so quick to respond and I disagreed with your conclusion I called you out on it, if you think that's scummy then call it scummy, if you think that's wrong then call it wrong, but don't say you "didn't like it" because that's just useless for everyone involved.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 11:16 GMT
#203
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween

So... what association are you talking about?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 11:27 GMT
#205
On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween

So... what association are you talking about?


The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum.


I don't really understand what you're doing.

I ask for people's opinion on Tofu cause people are being active and I'm working on a case.
I get a reply from you saying you think he looks town.
So after finishing my case, I quote you, and I say:

I DISAGREE
BECAUSE
____________

*CASE*

Are you feeling attacked?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 12:11 GMT
#207
You're saying that if I had replied to your post in a seperate post, and then posted the case afterwards, that completely changes everything?

You're saying that I, as scum, replied to you in the same post as my case on tofu so that you, as town, would feel enticed to defend tofu? Which accomplishes what?
But then you're also saying that I, as scum, did that so that my case would be "less likely to attract votes"?
Please explain what the thing is that "makes me look scummy"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 12:28 GMT
#210
Information for later in the game, durr
I understand why you're not supposed to defend it, what baffles me is that you thought I was enticing you to do so.
What baffles me more is that you're implying that I, as scum, would do something as innocent as have a reaction to a post AND a case in the same post, so as to entice you to defend someone, which would somehow work towards my scum win?

Give our exchange a good long read, think it through, and tell me if you think I'm scum or town, because you've implied both.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 12:43 GMT
#215
On July 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Would you lynch a lurker today?


Seriously?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 12:54 GMT
#218
On July 27 2013 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is this wagon crap man.

Hmm wheres rayn?


Read the thread, also try commenting on current stuff going on in the thread, like for example:
What do you think of FirmTofu?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 13:41 GMT
#228
Oats why you being so trolly, can you go scumhunt or something?
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