I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.

WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.

http://translate.google.com/

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 22:25 GMT

#94

Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup.

First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers.

And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 22:27 GMT

#95

On June 30 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote:

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I think it was Just another mini normal mafia or Normal mini mafia II, he got replaced by yamato.

Is this a relevant question in your opinion?

Somewhat. I got interested when Ray said that Marv wouldn't fake claim miller in the first 5 minutes of the game, and wanted to compare this claim to the other.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 22:51 GMT

#103

Some good points raised by Ray regarding stutters! Let's get this wagon rolling, shall we?

##Unvote
##Vote: Stutters695

Also, stutters, what country do you live in?

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 23:02 GMT

#106

I can't seem to find the game where Marv fake claims miller, it makes me sad. Am I modconfirmed retard now?

Marv pls

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 23:18 GMT

#109

On June 30 2013 08:06 Vivax wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344

It was IV not II -.-

Thanks!

So the game was a C9++ setup meaning that miller is quite likely actually and 2 millers are very unlikely making it a quite YOLO move as scum because of the risk of getting soft counter claimed. In that way, its kinda similar to this game because of the very clear risk of counter claims.

I guess that means Marv does have the balls required to pull off such move as scum.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 23:41 GMT

#112

On June 30 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course he has. It does not change the fact that marv is a bright guy and fakeclaiming miller in this game is stupid.

I suggest we drop the miller claim analysis until/unless another millerclaim pops up. Start hunting scum instead.

Stutters, explain your thought process behind your "do you know something i don't" comment.

Vivax, why a sudden change of mind, that is really not a change of mind? What exactly is your stance on stutters/wos?

WoS, why do you not post something useful instead of this nonsense? Thoughts on stutters/vivax?

I disagree with your suggestion.

One could argue that Marv claiming in that other game is stupid also. He basically had a 40% chance (IIRC) to get soft counter claimed. However, when the RNG is on your side the play suddenly looks genius. The borderline between a stupid and a genius play can sometimes be very small.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 29 2013 23:59 GMT

#114

Come on Murricans... Don't be so shy!

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 00:33 GMT

#116

But what do you want to talk about then?

While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 00:41 GMT

#117

EBWOP: To expand on that, what is it that makes you think that marv is to bright to fake claim miller in this game despite having done so in another game. The claim was risky in that game, just as the hypothetical fake claim would be in this game. Still you say there cannot be a possibilty that Marv is scum in this game.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 01:10 GMT

#119

On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact that there is a rolename for each possible miller. If you fakeclaim, you take a 50% chance of 1-1 trade as mafia, which is not good 5min into D1.

First off, Marv did not claim his role name. Secondly, yes, of course there is a risk involved with claiming fake claiming miller and even if you don't claim the same same as someone else, there is a very high chance for it to be a scum among the two players claiming. But that is beside the point. Marv was willing to take a risk in the other game. Why is it completely and utterly impossible from your point of you for him to be scum in this game? Because the only real argument you've made this far is that it is risky.

On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more.

Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way.

WoS isn't contributing in anyway, which is bad. His posting is careless though and its bad no matter what alignment he is basically. Mildly suspicious.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 01:22 GMT

#121

On June 30 2013 10:10 Lazermonkey wrote:

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First off, Marv did not claim his role name. Secondly, yes, of course there is a risk involved with claiming fake claiming miller and even if you don't claim the same same as someone else, there is a very high chance for it to be a scum among the two players claiming. But that is beside the point. Marv was willing to take a risk in the other game. Why is it completely and utterly impossible from your point of you for him to be scum in this game? Because the only real argument you've made this far is that it is risky.

On June 30 2013 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make sense and marv is good as scum. Srsly, if you think he/me is scum tell us why, if you do not, question elsewhere.

Convincing argument!

Marv is probably town yes, however he is not the modconfirmed 100% mega town guy you seem to think.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 01:28 GMT

#122

I think I'll head to bed now actually! Cya tomorrow.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

June 30 2013 10:42 GMT

#194

SUP.

Didn't know there was a voting thread -.- I guess you learn something new everyday!

Is Vayne a lynch bait or something? Makes a post about why I am scummy for several bad reasons. Then what? nothing... He makes 4 addiotional posts but doesn't follow up at all. Thhese posts are just general BS about why we shouldn't policy lynch him and that gumshoe is town because

On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now

Pretty suspicious of him calling me out for not wanting to scum hunt, yet he doesn't follow up his own suspicions a singel bit. Why doesn't he try to convince others that I am suspicious rather than defend himself when he is in no danger of dying?