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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 11:03 GMT
#1901
I am Abenson 2.0!

Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 11:23 GMT
#1904
On July 10 2013 20:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 20:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am Abenson 2.0!

Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up.


Time to make up for what happened to me in PTP

Have you followed the game at all before this? Scumreads, new angles on previous events?


I did nothing at all before you PM'd me.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 11:24 GMT
#1905
EBWOP Artanis, not you*

I just woke up, my mind is not at its freshest
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 16:02 GMT
#1933
Jesus, my guy looks scummy as hell just from his filter... I just got back from swim practice and am now reading the thread.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 16:45 GMT
#1943
I'm never going to be able to comprehend 96 pages of thread that I missed 100%, but from what I have observed the only clue I could have is what Xig says to cover up for Dandel, because I've never seen a wagon like that.

I'm reading intently from where I joined in and have a general idea of what transpired before that. Until I can figure out more or the game shifts again,

##Vote: XigXag
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 17:44 GMT
#1956
On July 11 2013 02:38 johnnywup wrote:
That nuke almost certainly came from a townie. Makes no sense from scum POV to launch it (assuming ace is town). Makes a lot more sense if it's coming from a townie. So I don't know why no one's claimed


Why would a townie outright shoot Ace?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 20:28 GMT
#1968
On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).

If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:

1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way

2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this

But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.

##Unvote

austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.

The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett


You maths don't work...scum!


Your evil British English spelling tells me you are sophisticated, and thus the worst kind of scum there is!
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 22:28 GMT
#1976
On July 11 2013 07:25 austinmcc wrote:
The one think I hate about my scumreads right now is some are almost certainly wrong. If I think jampidampi, oats, VA, and DI are all scummy (FirmTofu off the list for now, chalking those posts up as just being weird)...then I have two problems:

(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam?

(2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where.

Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them.


But then why did everyone jump off of him? A few mafia could've stayed on Dandel to build street cred if and when OriginalName flipped town. Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone switched to ON.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 00:03 GMT
#1993
On July 11 2013 07:31 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 07:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On July 11 2013 07:25 austinmcc wrote:
The one think I hate about my scumreads right now is some are almost certainly wrong. If I think jampidampi, oats, VA, and DI are all scummy (FirmTofu off the list for now, chalking those posts up as just being weird)...then I have two problems:

(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam?

(2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where.

Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them.


But then why did everyone jump off of him? A few mafia could've stayed on Dandel to build street cred if and when OriginalName flipped town. Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone switched to ON.
ON was lynched with 11 votes, DI had 8. Within the last 20 minutes, at least 3 voters (too lazy to click back a page) hopped on ON, and only one of them hopped off DI.

So at 20 to deadline, it was 9-8 for DI, and then at deadline only 11-8 for ON. Still a heavy vote on him. Some votes didn't move due to people not being around it looks like, but only 2 people ever budged off DI. And one of em ended up on VA, not on either real target.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote:
TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT.

geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion

johnnywup (0): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, WaveofShadow, TanGeng, Abenson, OriginalName

Chezinu (2): raynepelikoneet, Onegu, Ace, TanGeng, Abenson, Xatalos,
raynpelikoneet, jampidampi, gumshoe

WaveofShadow (0): geript, johnnywup

Onegu (1): Nirvana.Gabo, MajuGarzett

austinmcc (0): Xatalos

raynepelikoneet (0): Alakaslam

Z-BosoN (0): Chezinu

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, jampidampi

ghost_403 (0): Alakaslam, Chezinu

VayneAuthority (2): FirmTofu, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, FirmTofu, Chezinu

CaucasianAsian (1): geript, Z-BosoN

Oatsmaster (0): Chezinu

jampidampi (0): Chezinu

OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

Alakaslam (0): geript


TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated!


That makes sense. I didn't look at the voting patterns too carefully.

So now it's just a matter of everyone suddenly switching to ON from zero to leading lynch candidate. Back to the thread I go.

Also I just got HotS delivered an hour ago, so I'll try to balance that and mafia.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 01:57 GMT
#2033
As far as I'm concerned, I don't like either of them.

Why don't we do this:

##Unvote: XigXag
##Vote: Majugarzett


I didn't like his hesitation and reactionary lynch on Vayne. Also he would be pressuring Xig if he really wanted answers out of him, not holding off until words come his way.

And since I still want Xig dead,

##Nuke XigXag
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 10:23 GMT
#2157
dat ninja vote CA
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 16:48 GMT
#2213
I'll be home an hour before deadline.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 21:43 GMT
#2453
You people post faster than I can read
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 21:54 GMT
#2472
I didn't think this out too well

I voted whatshisname and nuked Xig and should've done it the other way, then Xig could have defended himself and if he convinced us of Dandel's evidence, we lynch someone else (such as jampi). Then both whathisname and jampi could die if Xig convinced us he was innocent

Ah well, yolo. I'm sticking to he-who-is-not-jampi because I don't like his filter and think he's scum. The 14 pages that spawned when I was at work is too overwhelming to make me reconsider this close to deadline.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 21:55 GMT
#2473
MAJU GARZETT THAT'S HIS NAME

why is that so hard to remember?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 21:59 GMT
#2483
If I had another nuke I would point it at Stutters.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#2497
BOOOOOOOM

WHO WAS RIGHT?

http://i.imgur.com/82T9xak.png
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 22:09 GMT
#2502
On July 12 2013 07:08 johnnywup wrote:
Wait I don't understand. What did you do sentinel?


I nuked XigXag for not talking, with respect to Dandel Ion's filter.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 22:12 GMT
#2506
On July 12 2013 07:10 johnnywup wrote:
Right. What's that picture of though? The "sent" thing?


That was people sending igrok PM's, and since "sentinel" (and "sentenal") gets abbreviated to "sent" a lot, I thought it was too convenient to pass up
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2013 22:18 GMT
#2519
On July 12 2013 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

nuke into that.


There are 15 names and Chezinu is on there twice.

Quote before you copy, it conserves strikethroughs and such
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