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On June 24 2013 10:08 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to establish my innocence at this point, so as to dispel any thoughts about my future alignment. I have never killed or assisted in killing ANYONE in my entire life. Thus, it would be presumptuous to accuse me of being a murderer or an accomplice to murder. Thank you for reading. I can confirm this. I have been tracking FirmTofu for the last 3 years and have never seen them kill anyone. | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:25 Chromatically wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote: Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. Hmm. In both other newbie games, you started out with a policy post about lurkers. Any particular reason why you changed for this game? I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: On June 06 2013 10:47 Spicydinosaur wrote: Hey everyone, I'll get the ball rolling. One of the most important things I've learned about day 1 is to make sure that town is active and posting USEFUL information and not just fluff. Lurkers do nothing to help town and are scummy. As such, I will and I encourage others, to pressure lurkers to post. That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote: Hey everyone | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:47 Chromatically wrote: You don't buy his explanation? I am reading through the obs for that game now. I am very new to Mafia and used the recent Roulette game as my introduction to forum mafia, so I did not follow the previous newbie games. I will post again when I have spent more time reading that obs. | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:55 Chromatically wrote: Or a framer/scum tracker not carrying the hit can claim NN if they see that no one else has done so, and become "confirmed town". HS, who's scum? That would be a risky claim though, as if we do end up lynching town I would rather lynch NN than any other town member. This is also why I do not think that NN should claim though. | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote: As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game. But on day one, is that not all we have to go off of? | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:53 Spicydinosaur wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote: I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsa and its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769 + Show Spoiler + Fluffity fluff fluff fluff, I will, Fluffity fluff. vote spicy as not the towniest MOFU in thread. umasi xzav and yvanna are town random guy that thinks hes better than he is and fferyl are probably town but not that much i'd lynch firere and spicy for now not sure about the third spicy should be killed with fire Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different. Fair enough. To be honest I am surprised that you got those negative comments for your first post in that thread, but then what do I know? I do not think that talk of sheeping (I had already started my post when he posted his) on day one is useful, but I do believe you as to why your first post was just the two words. | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:11 geript wrote: you should be able to handle this by going into your tl profile and managing your timezone from there. That's how I did it but it was a while back Nope, the posts still have Korean time stamps. It doesn't matter, I will just have to keep adding 13 hours. If I cannot manage that then I am not smart enough to play this game anyway  | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:00 Chromatically wrote: hz, do you have any scumreads? At the moment I am looking at FirmTofu. His chain of attack and defense looks like: Attack Chromatically Attack Xzavier Attack Hurricane Attack Spicy Defend Hurricane Defend Xzavier Attack Spicy For some reason the defenses seem a little out of place to me, especially the defense on Xzavier. On the other hand I believe Hurricane to be town as if he were scum then he is very brave to make the first post that he did. I am also very aware that I made an slightly extended attack on Spicy, who now seems to be FirmTofu's main target. I am wondering if he thinks Spicy is a good lynch target because he can count on my vote. He has also said twice that we should only use information from this game and not previous games. I think town should have access to as much information as possible in order to lynch scum. Therefore to me, FirmTofu is currently the scummiest player. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:34 FirmTofu wrote: You are taking an extremely simplified approach to analyze my actions. I am not "attacking" or "defending" anyone. I am stating my opinions on how various people are behaving. If you can't distinguish between the two, we have a serious problem here. You can't say that my "defenses" are out of place without even looking at the context of the situation. Read my quote, see if it makes sense to you, and form an opinion based on that. Furthermore, this post is as scummy as scummy gets. You state that you can side with me as I pursue a lynch on Spicy(see 1), but you also consider me to be the scummiest player(see 2). How are these two chain of thoughts compatible? Maybe you prefer the term Poking to Attacking, it makes no difference to me as I am an RTS player by nature and so I attack for information. I read your filter several times, so it is not a case of me being lazy with my reading. I did not say that you can count on my vote on Spicy. I will rephrase what I said to make it less ambiguous: I am wondering if Firm thinks that he can count on my vote on Spicy, and therefore thinks that Spicy is a good lynch target. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote: You wound me. Regarding claims I'm of the opinion that the Nosy Neighbour/Alpha 5 should claim now. This role is similar to a Miller in that it isn't useful for town at all, and could seriously backfire if they are watched/tracked/whatever by a townie. I don't see any downside to a Nosy Neighbour claiming, the worst case is that they play obvtown, get shot, and draw a shot away from actual town power roles. The biggest reason a Nosy Neighbour should claim now is that it eliminates the possibility of a scum fake-claiming it later if he is caught shooting/using a PR on someone. If we establish that a Nosy Neighbour should claim now, anyone claiming it later is caught scum. Obviously, scum can claim Nosy Neighbour so whoever claims it isn't confirmed town by any means. No other power roles should claim, that would be daft. (However, scum should feel free to claim their roles.) Regarding scum Current scumread is Chromatically for two reasons. 1) I don't like the feel of his initial posts. Making troll-cases to get the game rolling is fine, I have no objection to that in as of itself, but there's a certain nit-picking quality to his posts that feels wrong to me. Trying to read something into someone not posting for five minutes is ludicrous. 2) He's been doing a lot of asking other people for their reads while offering nothing even approaching one of his own. ##Vote: Chromatically My take on this: NN claiming is a bad idea as they are likely to be lynched day 1, which ensures that a town is lynched day 1. I come to this conclusion because the person claiming NN may be scum, but even if they are not they do not have a useful town power role and the NN might harm the town later. For me, the day that an NN claims is the day that an NN is likely to be lynched. If we later have the choice between lynching two people who are NN or scum and we lynch the wrong one then we just lynch the scum the following day anyway. I think that a day 1 NN claim would benefit the scum more than the town. Hurricane suggested the day 1 NN claim already and a few other people said it was a bad idea, but did not give Hurricane too much of a hard time for it. now you are making the same suggestion, which is a suggestion that will benefit scum, and I assume that you also do not think that you will get a hard time for it. I was going to give you a hard time for voting for Chromatically as I do not agree with your first point about his initial posts. I think your second point is correct although he has said he might soon make a case (but it's against me!). Still, I find the regarding claims section of your post very scummy. | ||
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On June 24 2013 14:11 Alakaslam wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 13:22 hzflank wrote: At the moment I am looking at FirmTofu. His chain of attack and defense looks like: Attack Chromatically Attack Xzavier Attack Hurricane Attack Spicy Defend Hurricane Defend Xzavier Attack Spicy For some reason the defenses seem a little out of place to me, especially the defense on Xzavier. On the other hand I believe Hurricane to be town as if he were scum then he is very brave to make the first post that he did. I am also very aware that I made an slightly extended attack on Spicy, who now seems to be FirmTofu's main target. I am wondering if he thinks Spicy is a good lynch target because he can count on my vote. He has also said twice that we should only use information from this game and not previous games. I think town should have access to as much information as possible in order to lynch scum. Therefore to me, FirmTofu is currently the scummiest player. Doesn't town want to make lots of scum reads early and get people to defend themselves? Proving innocence is a great goal for us, and helps to narrow down the scum list so that no-lynch is less likely to happen. Then again, good point regarding spicy and whatnot. Hopefully, cases will flesh out and things will become clearer. Personally I don't have any reads yet, still reading thread. Good point and I agree. In fact I have been on the offensive myself with attacks against three different players, but what I am trying not to do is defend other players (much). The more that people are forced to defend themselves, the more potential there is for us to gain information. | ||
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