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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 29 2013 03:32 GMT
#2
/obs
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#30
um the reason PM's work is because there is a win condition, and everyone plays to win.
This does make it easier for town I feel though.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 02 2013 06:06 GMT
#36
/in
woohooo
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 05 2013 07:50 GMT
#43
/out
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 12:28 GMT
#97
/in
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 06 2013 08:36 GMT
#119
/in
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 04:16 GMT
#175
VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez.

In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative.
Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 04:22 GMT
#177
wtf hapa. horrible questions.

Seriously insanely bad questions.
Why?
Question 1 is policy talk and all the answers will be the same.
Question 2 is stupid and we should never ever policy lynch just cause someone doesnt post enough. Wtf lurker lynch disguised?
Question 3 is also stupid and not alignment indicative.
COME ON HAPA.


Firm Tofu, why are you even bringing up 'hunting' the traitor? Are there specific traitor tells? What???
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 04:31 GMT
#180
Yeah hapa, whos scum?

The reason why I think masoning a strong townread is good is because you dont have a post limit to discuss the game with them, I dont feel that pming a scumread will confirm or deny your suspicions on him and with suspicion from both of you, the pm conversation is therefore less useful. Are town confirmed masons better or non town confirmed masons better if you are a mason? hmm?


Strong could also mean townread that has played a few games and is relatively experienced. And apparently you guys think that people dont think. Yeah sure Ill mason someone the whole game has masoned. useful. Guys....
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 04:48 GMT
#186
Man im totally gonna blow my post count in like the first 3 hours.

Who are you looking to be scum hapa. You can retract your statement at any time, but you have GOT to have some inkling who the people have posted are scum.

Also, we disagree on how to use masoning. And I dont think I can change your opinion so lets not waste posts talking about it.



6 mafia + traitor right RoL?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 05:17 GMT
#195
DrH is waffly.
[quote]But you bring up an excellent point. FirmTofu's post is seemingly designed to seem as helpful as possible (to the point that it looks pre-written) but I can't imagine town is very fixated on the traitor at all. FirmTofu, explain what you're thinking and was your post pre-written? Are you just a statistics/setup nerd that always looks at the game that way? I don't necessarily find it extra suspicious that you're describing the ideal play of the traitor, this is certainly something the traitor and everybody else probably knows, but it's the most substantial part of your initial post and it's an alarming fixation.


Tofu, have you played with a traitor mechanic before? If so, what did you gain from that? If not, why are you focusing on the traitor?

Hapa is playing incredibly oddly. Incredibly. Do you wish for us to lynch the traitor Hapa? Like why would Firmtofu as the traitor talk all about the traitor? Seems a bit obvious. A bit.
Also how do you not have at least 1 guy leaning scum. Gut read hapa. GUT. Or do you not have a guy?


Everyone, name 1 scumread. OR DIE!
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 06:40 GMT
#214
DrH masoned me btw guys.
Dont really think its alignment indicative that he didnt mention this.

VE wtf? Tell me how wasting posts arguing with Vayne is scummy? Have you played with Vayne before?
Tell me how what he did isnt pressuring Vayne.
tell me how scummy you are!

Thoughts on FT VE?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 08:23 GMT
#218
But Ve and Yamato I dont think are both scum. Weird.


MZ, so is DrH scummy?
FT's post is totally bullshit.

On July 16 2013 15:14 FirmTofu wrote:
I have so many problems with this post. It is a completely disproportionate reaction to my prod.

Let's address the points first.
You say I'm defending Vayne. This is not true. I was pointing out the inconsistencies in your behavior. You accuse Vayne, but you aren't addressing a similar scum-tell in another player. This indicates that you are picking and choosing your targets, instead of actually scumhunting.

My point had nothing to do with the topic of PM's, I was addressing your behavior specifically and how you are specifically ignoring the slOosh while pursuing Vayne for reasons that should implicate both of them.

This post of yours is digging you into a deeper hole. You made a sarcastic post saying you never even read slOosh's post, but you come back and vehemently say he is a town read for you. If you never actually read slOosh's post, why do have such an aggressive, belligerent response to my question? As someone who had never read slOosh's post, you sure sound like you formed a very strong position on him.

I find this all too convenient. I think you lied about not having read his post. Am I correct?

FT says he isnt defending Vayne but slams DrH for the exact same thing he himself is doing.???
He seems overly concerned about people lying. Scumtell because no one intentionally lies and its easier to attack town on a supposed lie and not actual content.
Also, he is saying that vayne and sloosh are saying similar things. They arent by far. Sloosh is saying dont use it if you dont know how to. Vayne is saying he WONT use it. Nope, totally different. One is intentionally playing badly(vayne), One is possibly bad advice but with limited masoning, Im inclined to agree with sloosh.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 08:31 GMT
#220
I guess in theory everyone could mason me then we could like have really laborious conversations where I rely stuff from one person to another. I dunno, im kinda lazy.


Rayn, so if you are scum and you use your role, no one knows.
Right. Sounds like your claim isnt actually a good thing.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 12:16 GMT
#227
wtf is this bullshit.
Total fucking retardness.

Malongo, Koshi and kholly, start playing the game.

Kholly, why is DrH scum? Also there is a voting thread.

Malongo, why is MZ being polarizing a scumtell?

Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS.

Ok so scumteam is probably,
VE, sloosh, FT and other dudes. Everyone else that has posted I think is town.
Anyone that has strong disagreements for any of my reads, please explain why.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 12:40 GMT
#229
oh god this type of player.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 15:08 GMT
#236
You give me more credit than I deserve Gumshoe, this supposed plan of mine is brilliant for wasting posts.

From what you have seen of how I play, is this consistant of my town or scum play Gumshoe?

Also
D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now.

This post is completely full of crap. This is Tofu's last post and DrH didnt post after that.
On July 16 2013 15:14 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh I found his post, yeah he's not saying no one should mason nor is he saying he is refusing to mason which is a really dumb thing to do. Now you're defending Vayne by using misdirection/misinterpretation! Interesting!
a
slo0sh - don't use mason if you don't know what you're doing. I disagree but there have been terrible consequences for this (coagulation claiming medic to me day 1 of Salem Mafia, me outing every single blue to the godfather in the same game, etc.)

slo0sh is in the SAME post talking about how PMs are invaluable for forming scumhunting circles which is a townie way of looking at it. A single sentence in a single post being a "concerted effort to discourage PMing" is really REALLY misrepresenting what sloOsh is saying in a completely obvious way.

I have so many problems with this post. It is a completely disproportionate reaction to my prod.

Let's address the points first.
You say I'm defending Vayne. This is not true. I was pointing out the inconsistencies in your behavior. You accuse Vayne, but you aren't addressing a similar scum-tell in another player. This indicates that you are picking and choosing your targets, instead of actually scumhunting.

My point had nothing to do with the topic of PM's, I was addressing your behavior specifically and how you are specifically ignoring the slOosh while pursuing Vayne for reasons that should implicate both of them.

This post of yours is digging you into a deeper hole. You made a sarcastic post saying you never even read slOosh's post, but you come back and vehemently say he is a town read for you. If you never actually read slOosh's post, why do have such an aggressive, belligerent response to my question? As someone who had never read slOosh's post, you sure sound like you formed a very strong position on him.

I find this all too convenient. I think you lied about not having read his post. Am I correct?

I dont see how is this resolved in the slightest. I assume you think FT is town, is that right from this quote.
this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another.

So talk about how my response to FT's post is wrong please.

On July 16 2013 17:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

FT's post is totally bullshit.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 15:14 FirmTofu wrote:
I have so many problems with this post. It is a completely disproportionate reaction to my prod.

Let's address the points first.
You say I'm defending Vayne. This is not true. I was pointing out the inconsistencies in your behavior. You accuse Vayne, but you aren't addressing a similar scum-tell in another player. This indicates that you are picking and choosing your targets, instead of actually scumhunting.

My point had nothing to do with the topic of PM's, I was addressing your behavior specifically and how you are specifically ignoring the slOosh while pursuing Vayne for reasons that should implicate both of them.

This post of yours is digging you into a deeper hole. You made a sarcastic post saying you never even read slOosh's post, but you come back and vehemently say he is a town read for you. If you never actually read slOosh's post, why do have such an aggressive, belligerent response to my question? As someone who had never read slOosh's post, you sure sound like you formed a very strong position on him.

I find this all too convenient. I think you lied about not having read his post. Am I correct?

FT says he isnt defending Vayne but slams DrH for the exact same thing he himself is doing.???
He seems overly concerned about people lying. Scumtell because no one intentionally lies and its easier to attack town on a supposed lie and not actual content.
Also, he is saying that vayne and sloosh are saying similar things. They arent by far. Sloosh is saying dont use it if you dont know how to. Vayne is saying he WONT use it. Nope, totally different. One is intentionally playing badly(vayne), One is possibly bad advice but with limited masoning, Im inclined to agree with sloosh.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 16 2013 16:34 GMT
#241
gumshoe is scum.

Confirmed KILL.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 17 2013 00:23 GMT
#296
What.
Can I get posts too?

this is my 13th post.

I am having trouble seeing the argument DrH is making for me being scum. Because I dont talk the same in PMs as in the thread? I have like 20 posts and I have an annoying tendency to waste posts because I need to post after stuff happens.
Ok from what I can see, its that I think yamato's post is bad but I agree with the content. This makes me scum? No it doesnt. Dont be bad. Also I copied the same post about yamato to rayn from my conversation with DrH, I dont see the different reasons for thinking Yamato might be scum.

Post a case on me DrH, please do.

Rayn and DrH, can you expand the town reads on gumshoe?


So guys VE is scum and you should be voting for him.
His first post is totally fluff. And is constructed as being useful. Scum have hard time making first post cause it feels weird. This post feels weird.
On July 16 2013 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys! I'm going to be keeping a running tally of my posts to try and remind myself that I can't spam in this game as I'm wont to do.

Feel free to PM me though, because though the mods can remove my ability to spam the thread, they cannot remove my desire to allow my thoughts on players and their motives to freeflow...though with as many superior scumhunters as are in this game, I wouldn't be surprised or offended if you don't. Just throwing that out there.

I will say that I think most players should hold back at least one of their mason choices for past D1. The threat of masoning scum is always there, plus if you just start masoning strong scumhunters you run the risk of them eating it N1. It's probably just best practice to mason people you trust, and though you might think that goes without saying people play this game in a really weird way sometimes.


He then votes for DrH with horrible reasoning and then, he says it was a ploy. Nice backtracking there, making a story to cover up your really fucking bad post. I dont buy it. Especially cause he then calls out 3 people which seem to have little to none connection with his vote on DrH, especially Malango who hasnt even mentioned his name the whole game AFAIK.
Its a cover up for lurker lynching. Scum VE loves to lynch Lurkers..

He then wastes a post calling out 3 out of like 7 lurkers in the game so far and it isnt even part of another post.

He says he is suspicious of Wiggles for not really being useful, but is taking a wait and see approach, doing NOTHING to engage Wiggles or even try and start a conversation to determine his alignment. He also donates posts cause its a townie thing to do most of the time.


No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 17 2013 01:58 GMT
#301
Any good player should know that meta is subject to WIFOM and is nearly always meaningless.
Marv owes me a post.
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