[N] Sicilian Mafia Style

On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE?

On July 18 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His points about VE are reasonable. That's why i think VE is scum aswell.
I dunno what do you mean about layabout. What should i look for? I see gumshoe asking questions from him. Possibly thinks he is scum, at least not a townread for him. I don't know what's wrong with that.

wow VE why are you pushing Malongo

On July 18 2013 06:08 slOosh wrote:
VE has been dicking around the whole game and he throws out his main scum read despite having much conviction in it, just to go with the flow. When have you seen a town VisceraEyes cede so easily? You haven't because he doesn't exist.

On July 18 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
No, Hiro, you really haven't.

On July 18 2013 04:49 HiroPro wrote:

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but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that.

On July 18 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:


I don't understand where 95% comes from, like those are reasons to think he might be mafia, but to be that certain? slOosh was inactive/bad/whatever day 1 in Nomination Mafia, and (much like VE) has had a lot less time to post as of late, so I assume you've factored this in to your unusually high evaluation?

On July 18 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Marv, please don't use all of your posts within 2 hours (although we don't really have excessively much time left).

I'm asking VE to forward PMs to you. It would REALLY REALLY be nice if he stayed alive, not just for that, but cause his claim is too weird to be fake imo.

Please, everyone consider voting ace, even Malongo is fine for me, or kush. Just pick someone that we really won't miss.

I picked ace cause he defied town openly, his whole posting is a joke, I received word that he is in another game at the same time, and he acts like he's stupid in this one, just to fuck off.

It's not policy, it can easily be scum playing in a way that leads anyone leading their lynch ad absurdum cause of this policy lynching prejudice.

On July 19 2013 07:30 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to post my scumreads. I'll decide later if I want to post my null reads. I probably won't post my town reads.

Proposed Scum:
slOosh
kholly
layabout
Malongo


I'm going to start with slOosh because he is the person that holds this proposed scumteam together. Most of my analysis will focus on the concrete information obtained from the last few hours of Day 1 regarding votes.

slOosh: slOosh never bothered to defend himself when he was faced with an imminent lynch. Many people came to his defense(me included), with little reasoning to justify his survival. slOosh is a borderline lurker and all he has ever done this game is defend himself. There is absolutely no scumhunting in his filter, just see for yourself.

kholly: I think kholly was a significant part of the reason why VE got lynched. By unvoting and voting repeatedly, he confused everyone who was trying to figure out the vote count. He was the only person to waffle between a MZ lynch and VE lynch, indicating that he was apathetic between them.

To top it all off, kholly also happens to have a terrible list of proposed scum in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#267

He never pushes his reads either. If he truly believed these people were scum, as his filter indicates, why didn't he ever try to get them lynched?

layabout:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#266
Doesn't think we should share who we pm. Sounds like he is in favor of withholding information.
Wants to kill Vayne because he doesn't use pms. Terrible reasoning. As I mentioned before, Vayne is stating an opinion that he expressed during pre-game. Why should that be alignment-indicative at all?

Defends Malongo, attacks VE
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#364

Says he wants to lynch Vivax, but never follows up
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#379

Overall goal seems to be to keep slOosh alive. I think that if slOosh flips mafia, this guy should be our #1 target.

Malongo: Malongo is inexorably linked to each one of these guys. I have a feeling that because VE tried to attack Malongo, scum decided VE needed to die. All of the above players ganged up on VE in order to push attention away from Malongo.

When push came to shove and VE claimed, these guys decided they should hop on another town wagon to keep slOosh alive. They see Mr. Wiggles voting Mz and decide that he would be an easy target to justify a lynch on.

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Note that NONE of these players ever gave a good reason why they thought slOosh was innocent. They barely even talked about slOosh. Why did they vote MZ instead of slOosh if they could never provide a legitimate reason why slOosh wasn't mafia? Consider that voting slOosh would guarantee VE's survival, whereas a vote on MZ was not likely to go through. They would have to be very certain of slOosh's alignment in order to adequately justify voting for MZ, considering the situation.

If they actually wanted to save VE, they would have voted slOosh. Why didn't they?

If slOosh is in fact mafia, this indicates that they are avoiding interacting with their teammates to prevent links being formed between each other.

I think the most critical person to lynch in Day 2 is slOosh. With his alignment, we get a plethora of information about numerous people and the chances of him flipping scum are quite high.