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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 29 2013 18:32 GMT
#19
/in
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 30 2013 18:05 GMT
#99
/out
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 10 2013 03:15 GMT
#128
/in

You have wiggles signed up twice.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 18:09 GMT
#365
VE do you even realize that Malongo has never posted anything about sloosh?

In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 19:49 GMT
#378
Vivax, I think you need to take a step back from your read on s&b. If you read his filter, it should be quite clear that he does attempt to make a follow-up on vayne. you can hardly expect much of a follow-up on sloosh when sloosh isn't posting anything.

I don't find his posting to be unnatural and I don't think it's strange for him to be slightly concerned about being lynched considering how inactive he normally is and how much heat he often takes for that.

On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE?

but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 19:58 GMT
#381
why is gumshoe voting for viscera in here but actually voting for firmtofu in the voting thread? The posts are at almost the same time.

##Vote slOosh
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 20:03 GMT
#384
rainman, can you read gumshoe's last post and tell me what you think of it? especially the parts where he mentions viscera and layabout.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 20:12 GMT
#388
On July 18 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His points about VE are reasonable. That's why i think VE is scum aswell.
I dunno what do you mean about layabout. What should i look for? I see gumshoe asking questions from him. Possibly thinks he is scum, at least not a townread for him. I don't know what's wrong with that.


I'll elaborate. At first he seems questioning, as if he's suspicious but doesn't have a clear idea (he asks viscera about pretty much everything he's posted: "Question Ve, who else is scum other than Malongo? Also Is Oats posting of your interactions true? If so why have you been so hostile to him if you do find him too dumb to be scum? Don't you think that at the very least you should try and talk with him? Why do you feel the need to play so aggresive as town?"). Next in the paragraph where's he talking to layabout, he goes "Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours

wow VE why are you pushing Malongo


that start to make me think Ve is town."

After that he proceeds to make a small case on viscera and ends up voting firm tofu in the voting thread. It's like he can't remember who he's suspicious of.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 20:13 GMT
#389
like there doesn't seem to be any sort of coherence in his opinion on viscera.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 22:33 GMT
#433
On July 18 2013 06:08 slOosh wrote:
VE has been dicking around the whole game and he throws out his main scum read despite having much conviction in it, just to go with the flow. When have you seen a town VisceraEyes cede so easily? You haven't because he doesn't exist.

Oh don't even try this. If viscera hadnt unvoted, you would be in here clamoring about how viscera was wasting his vote and had no good reasons.


Marvel, just check my filter. I think I explained after that.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 22:40 GMT
#438
On July 18 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
No, Hiro, you really haven't.

On July 18 2013 04:49 HiroPro wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE?

but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that.


What didn't you understand?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#451
On July 18 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 07:40 HiroPro wrote:
On July 18 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
No, Hiro, you really haven't.

On July 18 2013 04:49 HiroPro wrote:

On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE?

but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that.


What didn't you understand?


I don't understand where 95% comes from, like those are reasons to think he might be mafia, but to be that certain? slOosh was inactive/bad/whatever day 1 in Nomination Mafia, and (much like VE) has had a lot less time to post as of late, so I assume you've factored this in to your unusually high evaluation?

It's just a number. It doesn't mean anything. I could have just done "^ mafia", but people didn't like it the last time I did that


On July 18 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Marv, please don't use all of your posts within 2 hours (although we don't really have excessively much time left).

I'm asking VE to forward PMs to you. It would REALLY REALLY be nice if he stayed alive, not just for that, but cause his claim is too weird to be fake imo.

Please, everyone consider voting ace, even Malongo is fine for me, or kush. Just pick someone that we really won't miss.

I picked ace cause he defied town openly, his whole posting is a joke, I received word that he is in another game at the same time, and he acts like he's stupid in this one, just to fuck off.

It's not policy, it can easily be scum playing in a way that leads anyone leading their lynch ad absurdum cause of this policy lynching prejudice.

Vivax, I don't think you understand how ace plays when he doesn't have time. He acts like an ass, plain and simple. There's nothing good about his posting but it doesn't make him mafia (see games like igrok's good clean old fashioned as an example). He just replaced in and has another game, I'm willing to give him some time.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2013 14:52 GMT
#556
/facepalm

marvel, mason me if you can?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2013 15:08 GMT
#558
I have one left, but I'd like to save it.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2013 22:48 GMT
#616
On July 19 2013 07:30 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to post my scumreads. I'll decide later if I want to post my null reads. I probably won't post my town reads.

Proposed Scum:
slOosh
kholly
layabout
Malongo


I'm going to start with slOosh because he is the person that holds this proposed scumteam together. Most of my analysis will focus on the concrete information obtained from the last few hours of Day 1 regarding votes.

slOosh: slOosh never bothered to defend himself when he was faced with an imminent lynch. Many people came to his defense(me included), with little reasoning to justify his survival. slOosh is a borderline lurker and all he has ever done this game is defend himself. There is absolutely no scumhunting in his filter, just see for yourself.

kholly: I think kholly was a significant part of the reason why VE got lynched. By unvoting and voting repeatedly, he confused everyone who was trying to figure out the vote count. He was the only person to waffle between a MZ lynch and VE lynch, indicating that he was apathetic between them.

To top it all off, kholly also happens to have a terrible list of proposed scum in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#267

He never pushes his reads either. If he truly believed these people were scum, as his filter indicates, why didn't he ever try to get them lynched?

layabout:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#266
Doesn't think we should share who we pm. Sounds like he is in favor of withholding information.
Wants to kill Vayne because he doesn't use pms. Terrible reasoning. As I mentioned before, Vayne is stating an opinion that he expressed during pre-game. Why should that be alignment-indicative at all?

Defends Malongo, attacks VE
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#364

Says he wants to lynch Vivax, but never follows up
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#379

Overall goal seems to be to keep slOosh alive. I think that if slOosh flips mafia, this guy should be our #1 target.

Malongo: Malongo is inexorably linked to each one of these guys. I have a feeling that because VE tried to attack Malongo, scum decided VE needed to die. All of the above players ganged up on VE in order to push attention away from Malongo.

When push came to shove and VE claimed, these guys decided they should hop on another town wagon to keep slOosh alive. They see Mr. Wiggles voting Mz and decide that he would be an easy target to justify a lynch on.



Note that NONE of these players ever gave a good reason why they thought slOosh was innocent. They barely even talked about slOosh. Why did they vote MZ instead of slOosh if they could never provide a legitimate reason why slOosh wasn't mafia? Consider that voting slOosh would guarantee VE's survival, whereas a vote on MZ was not likely to go through. They would have to be very certain of slOosh's alignment in order to adequately justify voting for MZ, considering the situation.

If they actually wanted to save VE, they would have voted slOosh. Why didn't they?

If slOosh is in fact mafia, this indicates that they are avoiding interacting with their teammates to prevent links being formed between each other.

I think the most critical person to lynch in Day 2 is slOosh. With his alignment, we get a plethora of information about numerous people and the chances of him flipping scum are quite high.


this guy knows what's up.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 19 2013 03:23 GMT
#635
Geegee.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#1737
rofl. Thanks for hosting RoL/Ver.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 13:59:23
August 03 2013 13:58 GMT
#1772
I would never have claimed silent pardoner as either town or mafia. Without knowing what kind of roles mafia may have the risk (copycat, role thief, role vig) is just too high. Role!=alignment. The mere fact that you have a fairly useless town role and a strong mafia role does not make you mafia.

I had similar thoughts as Ver on your claim+silence. The claim itself doesn't make the role useless. Just look at what happened in this game. Even after a known mafia player was pardoned, nobody attempted to make a serious push on you! What's to stop mafia from pulling this this exact same play? For example in ssb mafia, an acrofales+artanis hydra claimed busdriver at the start of the game. They proceeded to bus a vig shot from their partner onto a townie. Nobody suspected them until the gaame was almost over!

As for the silence, it's not something I would have self-targetted with in this situation but mafia teams have done stranger things. The fact that people do things like not using their roleblock power for the entire game still boggles my mind.
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